[Ibogaine] Boosters

slowone at hush.ai slowone at hush.ai
Sun Aug 28 23:37:22 EDT 2005


Nice post! Is there anyone you aren't mad at?

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:05:36 -0700 Cheryl <cherylca at myway.com> 
wrote:
>Right on. Being a junkie already means being treated like shit 
>from 
>know it all know nothings, but with ibogaine having no regulation 
>or training, 
>mostly underground, every a-hole with a opinion can power trip on 
>holding the 
>cure for addiction over people's heads. Some of the advice the 
>underground has 
>given my friends is stupid beyond belief, i won't name names but 
>telling people 
>to throw away their meds because they're clean now and get high 
>listening to 
>psychobabble does a lot more harm then good. by meds I don't mean 
>opiates 
>either, anti depressants, anti psychotics, you don't need any of 
>it anymore, don't 
>listen to the doctors. great advice, where did you get your 
>medical training again? 
>oh thats right, you're a drug dealer with attitude problems, sorry 

>I forgot that. I 
>mean this in general not to you ed, I have no idea who you are 
>other then someone 
>with their head up their ass.
>
>
> --- On Sun 08/28, edward conn < wardconn at hotmail.com > wrote:
>From: edward conn [mailto: wardconn at hotmail.com]
>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:17:25 +0000
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>
>You know this whole thing about 'boosters' - it sounds like a load 

>of  old junky talk and boils down to this - not being able to live 

>with  uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels 

>and  supplement them for an artificially created one and were the  

>'ibogaine scene' becomes a supplementation policy rather than a  
>detoxification programme. Its bollox  - the excuse perpetrated is  

>that because it or any other 'entheogenic' substance does'nt have 
>a  physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making the claims - 
>the  people who are doing it. The question is this when does one 
>learn or  atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings 

>and actually  find out who they are by allowing their 
>brain/mind/body/soul to  communicate to them with out the need for 

>artifice - which came first  the chicken or the egg - the human or 

>the drug - so humans cant live  w/out drugs??  Theres a lot of 
>people out there perpetrating things w/ out having compared them 
>to long 
>term alternatives i.e w/out. The  addict is a part of your self 
>which at some point in one life one  will or will not choose to 
>take head on, the addict has needs for  sure but maybe to be 
>listened too not to be fed so that it shuts  up....sound like a 
>parent to you anyone???? So who takes care of that  voice and who 
>smothers it or shuts it out??? What does wisdom say to  do...is 
>that not after all what the vector of ibogaine is trying to  
>initialise in consciousness - awareness??? But it does'nt effect 
>free  will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels 
>keep the  pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the 
>providers suggesting  that rather than some artifice of a mixed up 

>psychiatric model???  Is  there ANYBODY out there???? Or is it 
>just voices..........Ed.> From: "Sjonnygee ." > Reply-To: 
>ibogaine at mindvox.com> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> Subject: RE: 
>[Ibogaine] Boosters> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100>>> 
>Thanks Matt bro - yeah you're right , I'll 
>look into it  > more.............. sjonny.>>>>> From: "matthew 
>zielinski" > Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com> To: 
>ibogaine at mindvox.com> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters> Date: Sun, 

>28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400>>>>> Hey there>> I guess it depends 
>what u are lookin for.......if u want visions  > etc better take a 

>biger dose.....if u just want to bring back that  > ibo feeling a 
>small dose will do fine>> Dont have much expeirence with it so im 
>sure other people will give  > u more comprehensive coments but if 

>u are getting cravings im sure  > even a small dose will bring u 
>back  in to that clear  lovey dovey  > state of mind>> all the 
>best>> matt>>>>>>>>>>> Open your e-mail without having to worry 
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