(OT) Re: [Ibogaine] what the bleep

Preston Peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Fri Aug 12 19:12:34 EDT 2005

>We're also told that when Columbus came to America, the natives literally 
>couldn't see his ships. They couldn't think outside the box of Indian 

Yeah, "Beyond the 'Bleep'" called this "the old canard," which I heartily 
agree with. What  stupid idea, but apparently some people believe that.
    I found Beyond the Bleep to be a very interesting book, which examines 
each presenter of the film, their background, what their pet theories are, 
whether they acutally are using what could be called "testable" science or 
simply making extraordinary claims (like JZKnight actually) with no provable 
substance whatsoever.
    Still, I'm very intrigued by the whole quantum physics thing, and was 
very happy to have read this book. Thanks for posting this review

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Boris Leshinsky" <bleshins at bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] what the bleep

> >did you see "What the bleep do we know"?
> there are some interesting animations about addiction.
> go slowly but firmly, recover your hijacked brain chemistry.
> keep tapering benzos. I know nothing about bup.<
> Literallly just finished a book published by the Disinformation Company
> (same folks putting out my books) called "Beyond the Bleep," by Alexandra
> Bruce, and it explains a lot of the theories proposed and discussed in 
> this
> movie mentioned above. I haven't yet seen the film, but a three hour 
> version
> is supposedly in the works for Theatrical release later this year, and a
> bigger DVD version for early 2006. It sounds like a film I do want to see,
> and yes, they do discuss, in some parts apparently, addictive behavior, 
> and
> not just to drugs but to others things too, including even emotions.

that book really good (looked it up on Amazon), will have to check it out.
This film has been mentioned on pretty much every mailing list and forum I 
am on I (and thats a few), its certainly kicking up a bit of a storm.

here's an interesting article about I found quite illuminating:
from salon.com

"Bleep" of faith
An indie film gets buzz and a big rollout. But "What the Bleep Do We Know!?" 
uses questionable on-screen experts -- and appears to be an infomercial for 
a controversial New Age sect.

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By John Gorenfeld

Sept. 16, 2004 | Last week, the national release of the independent film 
"What the Bleep Do We Know!?" seemed to be just the latest success story in 
the Year of the Documentary -- a little movie that could, launched into 60 
theaters across the country by Samuel Goldwyn Films after selling out small 
theaters for months. The film's co-director, William Arntz, has called it "a 
film for the religious left," an answer to "The Passion of the Christ." It 
presents itself as the thinking rebel's alternative to Hollywood pabulum: a 
heady stew of drama and documentary, starring Oscar-winning actress Marlee 
Matlin as a Xanax-addled photographer who discovers joy when she learns that 
quantum mechanics makes spiritual wonders possible.

But the film -- buoyed by a slew of stories in regional and national outlets 
(including Salon) about its supposed grassroots success -- has largely 
avoided much skepticism. And as the distributors launched a national 
advertising campaign, on NPR's "All Things Considered" among other outlets, 
and earned respectable reviews from a number of critics (the San Francisco 
Examiner calls it a "smart film," and Roger Ebert, while not thrilled, gave 
it a thoughtful two and a half stars), their movie has managed to avoid much 
scrutiny of what, exactly, it's really about -- and who is behind it.

That has meant little attention has been given to either the film's agenda, 
or its questionable use of supposed experts. At least one scientist 
prominently interviewed in the film now says his words were taken out of 
context. And two other key subjects in the film are not fully identified: a 
theologian who, the film fails to divulge, is a former priest who left the 
Catholic Church after allegations of sexual abuse; and a mysterious woman 
identified only as Judy "JZ" Knight, who is actually a sect leader claiming 
to channel a 35,000-year-old warrior spirit named Ramtha. [/b]The film's 
three co-directors are among those who follow Ramtha and look to Knight's 
channeled maxims to decipher the mysteries of life.[/b] These Ramtha 
followers reportedly number in the thousands. But critics call the sect a 

In the movie, the 58-year-old Knight, whose accent is as thick as her 
mascara, makes the boldest statements -- pronounced with long, rolling 
R's -- about particles and God. "We have grrreat technology. But we still 
have this ugly, superrrstitious, backwahds cohncept of Gahd," she says, 
adding that "the height of arrrrrrogance is the belief of those who would 
see Gahd in their own image." Musing on the unity of consciousness and 
matter, she reminds us that "it only takes a fantasy for a man to have a 
harrrd-on." In her normal mode, Knight speaks the plain talk of her native 
Roswell, N.M., but in the manly presence of Ramtha, said to have conquered 
the continent neighboring Atlantis, Knight's jaw juts and her voice deepens 
into something magisterial and brash. Her Ramtha's School of Enlightenment, 
on a $2 million compound based in Yelm, Wash., boasts followers -- including 
celebrities like actress Shirley MacLaine (who attended Knight's seminars in 
the late '80s) and "Dynasty" star Linda Evans -- willing to pay up to $1,600 
for a seminar.

Reached by Salon, Meyer Gottlieb, president of Samuel Goldwyn Films, says 
he's seen "Bleep" about eight times. Its fledgling distribution company 
Roadside Attractions had its first real hit earlier this year when it 
launched festival favorite documentary "Super Size Me" and is hoping for a 
similar sleeper hit with " Bleep." Asked what he thought of the expressed 
desire by filmmaker Mark Vicente (on a Ramtha Web site, 
BeyondTheOrdinary.net) for his viewers to emerge from his movie in an 
"almost trance-like state," Gottlieb only laughed.

"The question is, Is this movie promoting a cult?" he said. "The only thing 
we're interested in from a marketing perspective is creating a cult status 
for the film ... cults, from my perspective, they deal with groups and 
leaders and that stuff. This movie is about individual thinking. Individual 
control over your future -- and your own reality."

But not everyone involved in the movie has good things to say about that 

David Albert, a professor at the Columbia University physics department, has 
accused the filmmakers of warping his ideas to fit a spiritual agenda. "I 
don't think it's quite right to say I was 'tricked' into appearing," he said 
in a statement reposted by a critic on "What the Bleep's" Internet forum, 
"but it is certainly the case that I was edited in such a way as to 
completely suppress my actual views about the matters the movie discusses. I 
am, indeed, profoundly unsympathetic to attempts at linking quantum 
mechanics with consciousness. Moreover, I explained all that, at great 
length, on camera, to the producers of the film ... Had I known that I would 
have been so radically misrepresented in the movie, I would certainly not 
have agreed to be filmed."

"I certainly do not subscribe to the 'Ramtha School on Enlightenment,' 
whatever that is!" he finished. Albert provided Salon with an excerpt from a 
piece he's writing on the subject, in which he says, in part, "I'm 
unwittingly made to sound as if (maybe) I endorse its thesis."

When told of Albert's complaints, Gottlieb said, "I certainly don't see it," 
but acknowledged he's "not into the science 100 percent." At press time, the 
filmmakers issued an angry "Open Letter to the U.S. Media" in which it 
attacked the "intellectual smugness and superiority" of its critics. (You 
can download the PDF file here.)

Knight's role as the voice of Ramtha is the most striking -- but hardly the 
only -- omission of the film, which could easily be interpreted as a 
full-blown infomercial for Ramtha. Two other on-screen experts are not 
identified as Ramtha associates: Dr. Joe Dispenza, chiropractor and mystic, 
listed as a student on the Ramtha Web site; and a man identified only as 
"Dr. Miceal Ledwith."

Ledwith (at one time Monsignor Michael Ledwith) was once on track to be the 
next archbishop of Dublin, but the theologian stepped down as president of 
Maynooth College in 1994, after a complaint that he had sexually harassed a 
young seminarian. It was later revealed that Ledwith had allegedly paid an 
six-figure sum to a man who accused him of sexual abuse. Ledwith has 
maintained his innocence but left Ireland for the more placid confines of 
Monterey, Calif. On the "Bleep" Web site, Ledwith's relationship with the 
Catholic Church is only alluded to in a claim that he was once "charged with 
advising the Holy See on theological matters," but he is not identified as 
ever having been a priest, or even as a lecturer at the Ramtha school. 
According to a Ramtha Web site, Ledwith has joined "Ramtha's core of 
appointed teachers." (The Ramtha school and Ledwith have not responded to 
requests for interviews. The "Bleep" Web site recommends that journalists 
contact an independent publicist, but the movie previously listed as its 
P.R. contact Pavel Mikoloski, also director of public affairs for Ramtha's 

Later in the film, a "scientist" explains that, thanks to the strangeness 
quivering below the subatomic level, meditating monks have lowered the crime 
rate in Washington, D.C. But not until the end of the film do we learn that 
the scientist making this claim, John Hagelin -- who once ran for 
president -- conducted the research while teaching (until 1999) at Maharishi 
University , the school named for the Beatles' guru. In JZ Knight's own 
publications, Ramtha's existence, too, is frequently explained in terms of 
quantum mechanics.

Funding for the $5 million "Bleep," according to various published 
interviews with the film's creators, comes not from Ramtha but the software 
fortunes of director Arntz, who designed the job-management application 
AutoSys. Now popular in Unix environments, the program sold for more than 
$14 million in 1995. ( Eerily, the startup money for AutoSys was also of 
Atlantean origin, or so the original investor claimed. A 1999 piece in Wired 
by David Diamond described the life and suicide of Frederick Lenz III, a 
guru in his own right, who called himself not Ramtha but Rama. The software 
mogul told those who rendezvoused with Rama that he'd taught meditation 
classes on Atlantis. Later, Lenz said his students were bent on his murder, 
and he plunged himself into the waters of Long Island Sound with a $30,000 
watch on his wrist and 150 tabs of Valium in his bloodstream.)

On the film's Web site FAQ, the filmmakers answer the question of whether 
"Bleep" is a recruitment film coyly, stating that "the short answer is no. 
During the making of the film [originally to be titled 'Sacred Science'] it 
was decided that what was important was the message, not the messenger --  
whoever that may be. Some people may be inspired to check out RSE, and some 
people may be inspired to major at MIT in quantum teleportation." (At press 
time, MIT was not yet offering such a major.)

.Ramtha's School of Enlightenment had previously promoted itself in its own 
films, but those had a lower budget. One was "Bleep" director Mark Vicente's 
2002 "Where Angels Fear to Thread." Its trailer (available here) introduces 
Ramtha in the fashion of "Lord of the Rings," swinging a blade and raising a 
goblet to "the challenge of being an individual."

"Bleep" is a much slicker introduction. Its success relies heavily on word 
of mouth, accelerated by the use of "Bleep Teams" organized by Captured 
Light Industries, the production house set up by Arntz to create "Bleep." 
(The film's other production house, Lord of the Wind, is named for Ramtha 

Heading the Bay Area street team is Kathy Vaquilar, who organized regular 
"Bleep" events in at least two cities a week during August. On Saturday, 
Aug. 14, she helped organize a discussion in Berkeley that featured a Ramtha 
representative, Cindy, "who told us more about the film's background, how it 
got started, and about the school," she posted on the "What the Bleep" forum 
the next day, when the movement was spreading to nearby Walnut Creek. The 
next night, a meeting was slated for San Francisco.

Vaquilar told Salon that she coordinates the "Bleep" campaign with a 
representative of Captured Light. "I don't know that much about the Ramtha 
school," she wrote in an e-mail to Salon, and hastens to defend its role. 
Knight, she writes, "was only used as an interview subject. What is taught 
at the school might seem weird to most mainstream people, but for those who 
study or read the same materials on their own without any connection to the 
school or to JZ Knight, their stuff is not considered unusual, but rather 
part of what's already cutting edge."

That edge is something Vaquilar is familiar with. In August she promoted the 
film at the Bay Area's UFO expo in Santa Clara, serving double duty with the 
International Contact Support Network, which comforts those who say they've 
encountered extraterrestrials. Vaquilar herself has written about meeting 
insectoids, who treated her fairly well; but Knight, speaking in the voice 
of Ramtha, has warned her own followers of the "Gray Men," a clique of 
hostile off-worlders controlling Earth's banks.

On the surface, the movie doesn't seem to be targeting the E.T.-obsessed; in 
fact, it seems to follow in the footsteps of Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" by asking 
us to thrill to the tapestry of space-time. But it has very little patience 
for Enlightenment concepts like measurable results and scientific proof. In 
the new science of "Bleep," symbolized by disembodied equations and CG 
bubbles flying at us like stars at warp speed, we're past all that.

We're also told that when Columbus came to America, the natives literally 
couldn't see his ships. They couldn't think outside the box of Indian life. 
And in a subway that seems like one of many conceits borrowed from the 
"Matrix" movies (whose metaphor has similarly been borrowed by David Icke, 
the British author who says the world is controlled by lizard men), the 
heroine learns that you can see chi energy particles of love, that they've 
been captured in photographs of water blessed by Buddhists. At this juncture 
Matlin hears a voice in her ear: "Makes you wonder, doesn't it?" It's Quark, 
the greedy alien from "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine"! Actually, it's the guy 
who plays him, Armin Shimerman, as one of several mysterious strangers 
guiding her to the truth.

The impression left from sitting through a screening of "What the Bleep" is 
that a lot of people enjoy hearing their griping about religious 
fundamentalists reflected back to them, backed by science. There's also 
plenty of stroking of lefty values; Ramtha has declared that all world 
religions have in common "the suppression of women," adding, with the 
brashness surely fashionable in the 33rd century B.C., "No woman who had an 
abortion has sinned against God. Fuck all those assholes who tell you that." 
On the other hand, papers from Knight's 1992 divorce case with Jeffrey 
Knight hint that Ramtha is an ancient homophobe, who allegedly declared that 
AIDS was Mother Nature's way of "getting rid of" homosexuality and told 
Jeffrey Knight he should reject modern medicine and overcome the disease 
using the school's breathing techniques, according to court testimony. Tom 
Szimhart, a "deprogrammer" who testified on behalf of Knight's husband (who 
eventually died of the disease) called the Ramtha school a cult with an 
anti-scientific bent.

The "backward" religion of Christianity, Ramtha explains in the movie, 
doesn't appreciate how the parables of Jesus are explained by photon waves 
and probability -- just as creationists suggest that the latest 
archaeological science can explain Noah's Ark and a very young Grand Canyon. 
The cumulative effect of "What the Bleep" -- whose co-director, Betsy 
Chasse, produced the evangelical teen comedy "Extreme Days" (2000) -- makes 
you wonder if it isn't as fundamentalist as the Christianity and Islam that 
Ramtha inveighs against.

Even the father of the Isn't the Universe Amazing genre, the late Sagan, 
called Ramtha out. He opened his 1997 book "The Demon-Haunted World: Science 
as a Candle in the Dark" by asking why, if Ramtha is 35,000 years old, he 
gives us only "banal homilies" (sample: "I have come to help you over the 
ditch ... It is called the ditch of limitation") instead of telling us, say, 
about the currency, technology, social order and use of birth control in 
prehistoric Lemuria -- a country popularized by Madame Blavatsky, the 
turn-of-the-20th-century psychic. Sagan's argument, which couldn't be 
further from the movie's, is that science has exposed so many natural 
wonders, there's no need to gild the lily with gray aliens, telepaths and 
the spirits of Cro-Magnon shoguns roaming the Evergreen State.

Needless to say the book isn't on the film's reading list, which instead 
suggests reading the works of Ramtha

 the United Church of Religious Science, of all things, has released this 
attack on the film, which is also an interesting read:

(or from:)

"Report on the Perversion of Science to Support Mysticism"

Purpose: To assist in retarding the spread of pseudo-science and 
misinformation, to present topics currently circulating our churches and to 
encourage critical thinking.

Addressing the topics of:

Page 3 – Opening Quotes
Page 4 - Introduction and Address to the Religious Science Community
Page 5 - Responsibility and Reputation of Church Leaders
Page 6 – Defining Critical Thinking
Page 7 - What Is Science?
Page 9 - What The Bleep Do We Know movie
Page 11 - JZ Knight aka Ramtha
Page 17 - What The Bleep Do They Know? – Expert Resumes
Page 18 - David McCarthy – A Letter to Current Members of Ramtha’s School
Page 19 - Masaru Emoto Water Healing
Page 23 - Christopher Columbus Historical Facts
Page 24 - The Maharishi Effect
Page 26 - Sai Baba
Page 36 - Manifestations
Page 44 - Architecture Retaining Positive or Negative Energies
Page 45 - One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
Page 46 - What The Bleep Do We Know Receives Pigasus Award
Page 46 - Anticipation of Flawed Logic Responses
Page 48 - Closing Remarks

With writings and excerpts provided by Ernest Holmes, Robert L. Park, James 
Randi, Dr. Kathryn Turner (Director of Education, United Church of Religious 
Science), the Google Answers research team, Columbia University athematics 
Department and others notated and credited.

A copy of this report is available free of charge E-mail Conrad Askland at 
askland at aol.com
Please include name and mailing address
Or download a PDF copy at www.Religious-Science.com
Author’s Note: There are frequent references in this report to “RSE” which 
stands for the Ramtha School of Enlightenment led by JZ Knight, aka “Ramtha”. 
RSE has NO affiliation with Religious Science, Science of Mind or the 
teachings of Ernest Holmes. Sometimes Religious Science will be referred to 
as “RS” or the United Church of Religious Science as “UCRS”. Please make 
note of this very important distinction.

This report released April 20, 2005

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