[Ibogaine] NA

tink tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com
Thu Aug 11 00:01:01 EDT 2005


Thank you, Kevyn, for putting it so succinctly.  And congrats on the 7 years
love tink

On 8/10/05, kevyn at the Cluster <kevyn at pagancluster.org> wrote:
>  Thanks for writing this Steve.
>  I have heard the bashing here before, and will certainly again. I mostly
> tune it out.
>  Everyone has an opinoin, and they are all just, for that person.
>  
>  But to speak for others, well I try not to.
>  
>  I am coming up on 7 years clean. Have a great life. It is thanks to 12
> steps and my choosing to change and do the work and suggestions they give.
>  
>  I have heard often, that 12 steps have 100% success for anyone that is
> anyone who gives 100% effort.
>  
>  If you have give 100% towards the steps and suggestions, and failed, i
> would like to hear from you. From what I have seen and heard, there is yet
> anyone who makes that claim.
>  
>  Anything can work. And some things will not work for some people, or
> whatever. But closing the door on any opportunity is only limiting to
> yourself.
>  
>  Try Ibogaine, try 12 steps, try talking to a rock, try whatever you feel
> like doing at the time. Keep trying anything, if you want to change your
> life, truly want to more than anything else, I believe you will find what
> you need to help support that change.
>  
>  If 12 steps, or if iboga, or whatever, they are not a cure, miracle, they
> are all tools but fundanmentally you are making the change. take credit,
> don't critize what works for someone else. Speak the truth of your version
> of the dream, and well keep focused on it. On you. not on others or the
> negative.
>  
>  sorry for the rant, from the other lurker looking to always learn something
> new everyday. And thanks to many of you, I have learned a great deal on this
> listserve.
>  
>  peace and luv
>  kevyn
> 
>  
>  Steve Kelley wrote: 
>  
>  
> 
> I also am a lurker and this is my first post. I just can't let this dis'ing
> of NA continue without my 0.5 cents. 
> 
>   
> 
> I can't afford ibogaine. I wish I could. I began to go to NA meetings hoping
> that I could find some ibogaine. I mean I see every other illegal drug in
> the world on the streets, so why not and why not at NA I mean "the concept
> of one addict helping another". Anyway I found no ibogaine, but I did find a
> group of clean addicts (recovering addicts, ex-junkies, non-using druggies)
> or whatever you want to call them. I found a place to feel like a normal
> human with a problem. Maybe NA groups vary radically from place to place but
> I have never felt sidelined because I showed up nodding. I feel listened to.
> I am not clean but I have moderated somewhat and I have quit spending money
> that I don't have on my habit. I don't have a clean date and I have not chip
> or keytag, but going to meetings definitely helps me keep my habit in the
> rational territory. 
> 
>   
> 
> If Julie would please send me $12,000 I will be happy to lie about NA.
> Whatever to more comfortably beat this thing. 
> 
>   
> 
> sk 
>



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