[Ibogaine] Was MAPS & Burning Man- Question about NA

Preston Peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Tue Aug 9 14:50:11 EDT 2005


>Preston is replying to her
instead of Mason or Matt.<

You musta missed something, because Krista replied to my original reply to 
Mason's original post Vector.
;-)



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vector Vector" <vector620022002 at yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:40 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Was MAPS & Burning Man- Question about NA


>
> Reading this all one after the other, I'm confused. Mason and Matt
> participate in NA (I think)? As far as I know Krista is involved with
> harm reduction and has never said whether or not she is clean and never
> said anything claiming to represent NA and Preston is replying to her
> instead of Mason or Matt.
>
> Compared to what used to be here years ago this is a mellow
> conversation, NA people would arrive here every month back when Patrick
> was writing for Heroin Times every issue and they were all angry,
> threatened and ranting. I remember these endless rants from some MSC
> about how everyone was in a state of relapse here already and there
> were these giant sweeping conversations because Patrick used to post
> and Dr. Moraes who was psychotically anti NA used to post, Steven Anker
> used to post, that counseler from a methadone clinic Rick V. used to
> post how NA treated his patients like shit. Then of course 50 well
> written funny and longgg messages would come across how Bill Wilson got
> clean from alcohol taking the belladonna cure and tripping and was a
> big fan of LSD in his later years, which didn't cause him to change his
> clean date.
>
> Since the people here now who are if not representing NA at least work
> the steps and are articulate without being angry at everybody who
> isn't, I have one question for everyone from NA. To repeat who I am for
> the newer people, I'm not an addict, never been one, I smoke pot, I
> take some of those weirdo hallucinogens ;) I ended up on this list back
> in 2001 searching for what happened to Mindvox and ended up on
> ibogaine, I'm in college and interested in social policy, drug
> addiction and treatment, in a big way this list has influenced my
> interests and expanded my horizons so thanks to you all over so many
> years of Mindvox :)
>
> My question is the quote that Matt used, 'once a addict, always a
> addict' what does that mean to you? Does it mean that you can never
> again take whatever your drug of choice was. Does it mean you can never
> take any drug at all to get high, because if you smoke some pot it will
> lead back to whatever you came to NA for. Does it mean that any altered
> state of consciousness is in some way too dangerous for you but ok for
> normal people whatever normal people means? What does that mean for
> you? I'm not asking what it means for all people working the steps,
> what do __you__ mean when you write it?
>
> .:vector:.
>
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