[Ibogaine] Re: rant against MAPS and burning man attendees

Preston Peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Mon Aug 8 21:28:42 EDT 2005

I wouldn't have put it quite so, um, pointedly, but this is pretty much how 
I PERSONALLY feel about NA, for ME. If it works for someone else, more power 
to 'em. But I gotta say that Julie pretty much said what I would have wanted 
to say were I feeling more hot tempered and ornery.
    NA is so geared, as near as I can tell, to the idea that ONLY NA can 
rescue addicts from addiction, and that, to me, is utterly ridiculous.
    But to each their own, right? If going to meetings helps someone be 
happier in life, great. But it's not for me.

Peace and love,

"Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often 
mistaken for madness"
Richard Davenport-Hines

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ms Iboga" <ms_iboga at yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: rant against MAPS and burning man attendees

> Thank you, Preston, for putting that ridiculous email
> into proper perspective.
> The problem with viewing addiction as a 'disease', is
> that you are disempowering an already marginalized
> group of people("oh, you poor, little, helpless,
> diseased fuck").
> I used to have a 'disease'- the disease of using too
> much heroin and subsequently developing a chemical
> dependence on it.  I no longer use, and have not for
> nearly a year.  Where did my disease go?  In
> remission?  So, once 'diseased', always 'diseased'?
> Wow- what an incredibly positive message to send to
> struggling drug users:  "You're powerless, and you
> always will be, you pathetic weak-willed fuckwit."
> How Lame...
> It's the same NA claptrap as 'putting your faith in a
> higher power'.  One question:  where was this
> so-called higher power when the user was first
> introduced to addictive drugs, or when they were
> having a shitty enough time in life to consider
> escaping with drugs?  why would I- or anyone else- now
> want to rely on someone/something that wasn't there
> for me/us in the first place?  Bullocks...
> Addiction is not a disease- it is a cyclical,
> self-medicating pattern that people get themselves
> into, usually to escape physical and/or psychological
> pain.  The cycle CAN be broken- YOU( the drug user)
> are a powerful force to be reckoned with, despite what
> those NA wankers tell you.
> Welcome to the cult of NA....
> Bullocks, pure bullocks,
> Julie (usually silent, but lurking)
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