[Ibogaine] Re: rant against MAPS and burning man attendees

Matthew Shriver matt at itsupport.net
Mon Aug 8 17:07:19 EDT 2005

Wow.  Well good luck with all that.  In defense of NA I will say that
millions of addicts all over the world get and stay clean there, I know of
nothing else that can make that claim.  I would also submit that you don't
entirely understand the meaning of the powerlessness in the 1st step and I'm
pretty sure the word fuckwit isn't in there.  But I won't waste my time
trying to convince you.  I just want to point out that NA is not a cult, it
is simply another option that works for some addicts.  Anything that works
to help an addict get and stay clean is not to be dismissed so lightly.

As for the disease concept, my personal opinion is that it can be a useful
tool in early recovery, because it places a responsibility on the addict to
do something about it's treatment.  There is an old Buddhist parable about a
man who comes to a river that he cannot cross. So he builds a boat, rows
across, and then having reached the other side, does not proceed to carry
the boat on his back as he continues his journey.  The boat, although
useful, served it's purpose and so he leaves it behind.  That's my view on
the disease concept.  Really it's a moot point.  I know I'm an addict, just
like I know I have brown hair, so what?  It is what it is.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ms Iboga [mailto:ms_iboga at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:35 PM
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: rant against MAPS and burning man attendees

Thank you, Preston, for putting that ridiculous email
into proper perspective.

The problem with viewing addiction as a 'disease', is
that you are disempowering an already marginalized
group of people("oh, you poor, little, helpless,
diseased fuck").  

I used to have a 'disease'- the disease of using too
much heroin and subsequently developing a chemical
dependence on it.  I no longer use, and have not for
nearly a year.  Where did my disease go?  In
remission?  So, once 'diseased', always 'diseased'? 
Wow- what an incredibly positive message to send to
struggling drug users:  "You're powerless, and you
always will be, you pathetic weak-willed fuckwit."

How Lame...

It's the same NA claptrap as 'putting your faith in a
higher power'.  One question:  where was this
so-called higher power when the user was first
introduced to addictive drugs, or when they were
having a shitty enough time in life to consider
escaping with drugs?  why would I- or anyone else- now
want to rely on someone/something that wasn't there
for me/us in the first place?  Bullocks...

Addiction is not a disease- it is a cyclical,
self-medicating pattern that people get themselves
into, usually to escape physical and/or psychological
pain.  The cycle CAN be broken- YOU( the drug user)
are a powerful force to be reckoned with, despite what
those NA wankers tell you. 

Welcome to the cult of NA....

Bullocks, pure bullocks,

Julie (usually silent, but lurking)

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