[Ibogaine] Why tink flipped -or- an attempt at apologising and explaining...

UUSEAN at aol.com UUSEAN at aol.com
Fri Aug 5 01:51:06 EDT 2005

In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:15:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
captkirk at clear.net.nz writes:

guess I’d  be labelled someone who clicks with (some..) spiritual methods but 
I don’t  click at ALL with the 12 step programs.  I click with Infinity  Steps
….from what I’ve seen the 12 steps (and I will probably get a kick up the  
bum for saying this so wiggling my wee white pom poms in your general  direction
…….)  they keep you at that 12th step and that’s  it….. correct me if I’m 
wrong (heh this is mindvox OF COURSE YOU WILL )   growth should be ever 
evolving not stuck somewhere….and as for the higher  power.. that’s ME of course…
..heh just gotta find the On button (or the off….  )

Hi Kirsty,
I did not mean to imply that because one is clicks with spirtual methods  
they will click with 12 step programs.  Just that of the people who do get  a lot 
from 12 step, there is a general tendency to be OK with the spiritual or  
religious.  My friend who brought me to agnostic meetings is quite fine  with the 
spiritual, he just does not think that God, higher power whatever has  
anything to do with staying sober.  He is sober five years, no steps. 
I would like to be 13 stepped about now. For those that don't the 13 step  
refers to carrying the message by literally screwing a newcomer.  The  message I 
could take or leave, but the screwing sounds nice about now.:-)
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