[Ibogaine] RE: Ron, sweetheart....

Vector Vector vector620022002 at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 2 15:49:28 EDT 2005

Ron someone signed up to the list found the usual 300 messages in their
mailbox a day later and freaked out, they signed off. I wouldn't take
it personally they happened to post after one of your messages I doubt
they left because you're depressed.


--- Ron Davis <rwd3 at cox.net> wrote:

> thanks for the thoughts, yeah, cynical, depraved, pan sexual, lawyer?
>  just 
> a guy in a cheap suit helping guys in cheaper suits get outta places
> I use 
> to frequent all to frequently.  they beat me up cuz it's my fault
> they're 
> there, not the law or the snitch and then i beat myself up here for
> you 
> guys. man, i hope i'm not chasing people away, pray i could put a
> positive 
> spin on my sitch.  no way I'd take a shot at Preston,  the guy's
> great, his 
> posts are great.....look at me as the darkside of the spectrum,  i
> add 
> balance to the rah , rah  crowd,  i'll try to do better.  thanks for
> having 
> me around and the thoughts.  really, i've got no problems compared to
> a 
> member who pm'd me and said he'd whipped leukemia..really, it's a
> priveldge 
> to know folks actually read my whinning, thanks for bringing me back 
> although i'll probably spin off again, ron  oh, yeah, i have a roof, 
> slithered out of the gutter and landed it, do have food, no bank
> acct. and 
> borrowed computer but i ain't pulling copper pipe out of run down
> buildings 
> and selling it for a fix. can't get the self esteem out of the
> basement no 
> matter how many i get out of jail.  again, thanks for having me, tell
> me 
> when i should go----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Krista Vaughan" <krista.vaughan at gmail.com>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Ron, sweetheart....
> I wanted to second everything in this msg :-)
> Ron aren't you a lawyer who at least has a roof over their head,
> enough food, enough money for all your prescription drugs and a
> computer with a internet connection? This puts you far ahead of most
> street junkies.
> Didn't you just do ibogaine a little while ago?
> Not to put you down in any way (you're great at doing that to
> yourself, even if I hated you I could never do half the job you do on
> yourself). Ron, addiction is a big part of your problem and a lot of
> people's to be sure, but have you ever considered doing anything at
> all after ibogaine? Finding a group you can relate to, counseling, or
> nothing at all related to drugs exactly but finding some kind of
> self-image improvement program or book, anything!
> I know you can't do any of those things because your family is sick
> or
> dying, your job is too hard and it's better to keep beating yourself
> up for no reason ;-) or any number of excuses you will come up with.
> Ron, you're ok. Go look in the mirror, I'm good enough, I'm smart
> enough, I'm ok. You are loved, try to love yourself only a little
> bit,
> we promise not to tell anyone.
> KV
> On 8/2/05, Kirk <captkirk at clear.net.nz> wrote:
> > Ron, hope you are doing ok.
> > Have you ever thought of doing some (dog forgive me for using the
> "lingo'
> > but I feel it is needed here..) kind of positivity program?
> Changing your
> > word speak, self image etc etc. You sound terminally cynical and
> negative.
> > I think your last email to Preston was humorous, but to be honest
> was hard
> > to tell..... no offence dear Ron, really!
> > I just feel that you have gotten stuck in this position of
> everything is 
> > bad
> > no matter what...and even to the point of affecting other people to
> leave
> > this list?  Come on Ron, you expressed a valid opinion.. I think it
> was
> > coinky dinks.. if not.... it doesn't matter, although I totally
> > getting dumped on for your posts to here!! But all I have to do
> there is
> > re-read the Welcome Mat and I feel ok again~! *kiss hugs to
> Patrick, who
> > really truly does understand ;o)*
> > Ron ron ron ron ron......i just wanna grab ya and show ya that it
> really
> > isn't all bad.,..... I have my days... that's what it's all about..
> I hate
> > them,. But I have to force myself to look at the good the beautiful
> the
> > awesomely neat that IS around us all. It's there take a
> look.........
> > If I find something I feel might help your state of mind I'll send
> it, cos 
> > I
> > feel this is what keeps you where you are... not the drugs....they
> are a
> > symptom to deeper shit well duh ok that might be obvious more
> obivious 
> > here?
> > And im just guessing (and trying to see the pyter screen over a
> huge fat
> > fluffy ct tail.. .... nosey buggers aint they??? Haaaaa GO WAY
> snowballs, 
> > I
> > don't want to see them1!!! LMAO)
> > Urh yeh sorry
> > Love to you Ron, really., keep posting....that much I have learnt.
> > Hugs
> > Kirk xxxxxxx
> >
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