[Ibogaine] RE: Ron, sweetheart....

Ron Davis rwd3 at cox.net
Tue Aug 2 10:19:40 EDT 2005

thanks for the thoughts, yeah, cynical, depraved, pan sexual, lawyer?  just 
a guy in a cheap suit helping guys in cheaper suits get outta places I use 
to frequent all to frequently.  they beat me up cuz it's my fault they're 
there, not the law or the snitch and then i beat myself up here for you 
guys. man, i hope i'm not chasing people away, pray i could put a positive 
spin on my sitch.  no way I'd take a shot at Preston,  the guy's great, his 
posts are great.....look at me as the darkside of the spectrum,  i add 
balance to the rah , rah  crowd,  i'll try to do better.  thanks for having 
me around and the thoughts.  really, i've got no problems compared to a 
member who pm'd me and said he'd whipped leukemia..really, it's a priveldge 
to know folks actually read my whinning, thanks for bringing me back 
although i'll probably spin off again, ron  oh, yeah, i have a roof, 
slithered out of the gutter and landed it, do have food, no bank acct. and 
borrowed computer but i ain't pulling copper pipe out of run down buildings 
and selling it for a fix. can't get the self esteem out of the basement no 
matter how many i get out of jail.  again, thanks for having me, tell me 
when i should go----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krista Vaughan" <krista.vaughan at gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Ron, sweetheart....

I wanted to second everything in this msg :-)

Ron aren't you a lawyer who at least has a roof over their head,
enough food, enough money for all your prescription drugs and a
computer with a internet connection? This puts you far ahead of most
street junkies.

Didn't you just do ibogaine a little while ago?

Not to put you down in any way (you're great at doing that to
yourself, even if I hated you I could never do half the job you do on
yourself). Ron, addiction is a big part of your problem and a lot of
people's to be sure, but have you ever considered doing anything at
all after ibogaine? Finding a group you can relate to, counseling, or
nothing at all related to drugs exactly but finding some kind of
self-image improvement program or book, anything!

I know you can't do any of those things because your family is sick or
dying, your job is too hard and it's better to keep beating yourself
up for no reason ;-) or any number of excuses you will come up with.

Ron, you're ok. Go look in the mirror, I'm good enough, I'm smart
enough, I'm ok. You are loved, try to love yourself only a little bit,
we promise not to tell anyone.


On 8/2/05, Kirk <captkirk at clear.net.nz> wrote:
> Ron, hope you are doing ok.
> Have you ever thought of doing some (dog forgive me for using the "lingo'
> but I feel it is needed here..) kind of positivity program? Changing your
> word speak, self image etc etc. You sound terminally cynical and negative.
> I think your last email to Preston was humorous, but to be honest was hard
> to tell..... no offence dear Ron, really!
> I just feel that you have gotten stuck in this position of everything is 
> bad
> no matter what...and even to the point of affecting other people to leave
> this list?  Come on Ron, you expressed a valid opinion.. I think it was
> coinky dinks.. if not.... it doesn't matter, although I totally UNDERSTAND
> getting dumped on for your posts to here!! But all I have to do there is
> re-read the Welcome Mat and I feel ok again~! *kiss hugs to Patrick, who
> really truly does understand ;o)*
> Ron ron ron ron ron......i just wanna grab ya and show ya that it really
> isn't all bad.,..... I have my days... that's what it's all about.. I hate
> them,. But I have to force myself to look at the good the beautiful the
> awesomely neat that IS around us all. It's there take a look.........
> If I find something I feel might help your state of mind I'll send it, cos 
> I
> feel this is what keeps you where you are... not the drugs....they are a
> symptom to deeper shit well duh ok that might be obvious more obivious 
> here?
> And im just guessing (and trying to see the pyter screen over a huge fat
> fluffy ct tail.. .... nosey buggers aint they??? Haaaaa GO WAY snowballs, 
> I
> don't want to see them1!!! LMAO)
> Urh yeh sorry
> Love to you Ron, really., keep posting....that much I have learnt.
> Hugs
> Kirk xxxxxxx

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