[Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!slowone

Ron Davis rwd3 at cox.net
Sun Apr 24 17:35:53 EDT 2005


did you ever use ibo while taking benzos and if so , what were the effects? 
thanks for your insight, and please excuse my acerbic manner of writing. 
i'm a sheep in a wolf suit, ron
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <slowone at hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me 
nuts !!!!!!!!


>I found myself sleeping a full 8 hours after years of 4-6 hours
> after my most traumatic iboga experience, which also left me
> praying for death at times over the next few months. We may
> internalize the hostile people and environments of our childhood
> that we had to sacrifice parts of ourself to survive, and when
> iboga tries to break the grip of those patterns, these "introjects"
> may retaliate. Lack of sleep can flatten all players in that game.
> I think aftercare can help sort out these battles.
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:58:57 -0700 mcorcoran
> <mcorcoran27 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I should be kind of a veteran at this point and have a good idea
>>what to expect but this time have just been so different. Still
>>only getting 3 or 4 good hours of sleep and still tons of sweating
>
>>in my sleep and very strange post ibo dreams. Tried to give back a
>
>>bundle of dope becasue I didn't want it and was confronted by bill
>
>>clinton and arrested. Thats one of the ones I'm recalling right
>>now.
>>Anyway its kinda weird. its like I almost feel sick at points
>>throughout the day and then at other points I can't believe how
>>freakin good I feel.
>>Going back to work this fast hasnt made it any easier but who
>>knows myabe thats why I'm even getting that much sleep to begin
>>with.
>>Howard once told me that you might not need as much sleep after
>>ibo but I gotta say I'd love to sleep a full 8 or even 6 hours.
>>Okay off to work. 14 days out and feeling pretty damn good though.
>
>>-M.
>>
>>
>>Carlton B <carltonb at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>Well naturally you don't want to start out being dehydrated at the
>
>>start of a potentially dehydrating activity.  I was just saying
>>that over-hydration in a short period of time is not a good way to
>
>>get hydrated.  And fruit juices are not a good way to get
>>hydrated.
>>
>>If you are caring for someone who is chronically hydrated, and
>>especially an opiate user, one of the best things you can do for
>>them is give them high-fiber foods.   We get most of our water
>>from the food we eat, and if ingested as fiber, the body can
>>manage its own best absorption rate.  I really like brown rice for
>
>>this purpose.   If you can get your husband on brown rice then
>>that might be a good thing.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Pam Paperno
>>
>>Sent: Apr 22, 2005 9:54 AM
>>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>>
>>
>>My poor junky husband is pretty dehydrated at this point.  If I
>>don't force him, he doesn't eat or drink.  We just want him re-
>>hydrated before he's dehydrated again.
>>Pam
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Carlton B
>>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:34 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>>
>>
>>On hydration....
>>
>>If you know you are going to a place where you cannot drink water
>>for a while, the best way to prepare is to avoid caffeine, salty
>>foods, and other diuretics for 2 or 3 days before departure.
>>Have a glass of water with meals or when you are thirsty.   You
>>can't store water like a camel.  If you drink an excess of water,
>>your kidneys will simply dump it within a few hours.  If you're in
>
>>a state where you can barely open your eyes, you probably want to
>>avoid unnecessary trips to the bathroom.
>>
>>In a period of 12 to 24 hours, you won't lose enough fluid to
>>jeopardize your health unless you are in a hot environment, doing
>>vigorous exercise, consuming diuretics or salty foods, or
>>experiencing copious vomiting or diarrhea.   (Not talking about a
>>few alkaloid heaves... more like an influenza or cholera type
>>experience).   Generally if your body needs water, it will produce
>
>>a sensation of thirst and allow you to drink.
>>
>>On fruit juices...
>>
>>Fruit juices contain a lot of sugar.  Sugary drinks like fruit
>>juices can cause what is called secondary dehydration... your
>>blood becomes too concentrated.  To correct this, osmosis draws
>>fluid out of your tissues, which become dehydrated.  Also, the
>>high sugar content of fruit juice is taxing for your pancreas and
>>endocrine system.   If you are tripping or otherwise altered, you
>>want your digestive system to be at rest so it isn't distracted
>>from the task of digesting alkaloids that your stomach would
>>really prefer to spew across the room.
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Pam Paperno
>>
>>Sent: Apr 22, 2005 8:09 AM
>>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>>
>>
>>It stands to reason that hydrating ahead of time would be a good
>>idea, since there is likely to be very little consumption after
>>the Ibogaine.
>>Have you checked out the Ibogaine Dossier?  There's lots of useful
>
>>info there.
>>Pam
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: fire3456 at aol.com
>>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:59 PM
>>Subject: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>>
>>
>>
>>I joined this "group" in hopes to gain more insight on Ibogaine.
>>Although I am sarcastic with the "lovey dovey", "light a candle",
>>"Peace and Love"  annoying remarks.  I do keep reading because
>>knowledge is power.  I'm still not sure what the whole basis of
>>this group is. And maybe I shouldn't be here.   But if I can get
>>bits and pieces of valuable info out if any of it...its worth
>>digging though annoying parts.  Besides...you need people like me
>>to be the end of the "bell curve" !  :-)
>>
>>Now...for the input I am looking for..ok...ASKING for.   I'd like
>>to know the reasons for failure in their Ibogaine use.   "Learn
>>from other peoples mistakes" scenario.   Failure as in, not
>>getting what they wanted out of it...whether it be addiction, or
>>spiritual sense of well being... etc.
>>
>>I was never told of the "hydrating" process and that being an
>>important part.  I'm unsure of the Fruit Juice effects and reason.
>>
>>The music is an individual thing. I don't think someone can say
>>what to, or what not to listen to.
>>
>>FYI, I am about to venture to my 2nd attempt at Ibo.  I want to
>>make sure there is no room for error.
>>
>>Thanks for any info....and special thanks FOR NOT LIGHTING A
>>CANDLE!  (sarcasm)
>>
>>
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