[Ibogaine] Those who don't even want to look at it...

Preston Peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Sat Oct 2 23:36:54 EDT 2004


Howard wrote >I am also very skeptical of the safety of high dose
neurontin regimens as I would be for the general use of any anti-epileptic
drug in a
non-epileptic patient.<

My pain specialist recommended Gabitril, an anti-epileptic drug, for my
nerve pain. I brought up the fact that it's for anti-epileptic uses and he
kinda shrugged off my concerns, saying it was also good for nerve pain.
    Amazingly, I didn't like the high it gave me, leaving me fuddled and
confused in the morning. LOL, that's a switch. I haven't taken any of it but
two nights right after he gave it to me, then stopped. That was pre-ibo.

Peace and love,
Preston

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mistaken for madness"
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <HSLotsof at aol.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Those who don't even want to look at it...


>
> In a message dated 10/2/04 5:29:47 PM, slowone at hush.ai writes:
>
> >I think low-dose iboga is comparable to an SSRI in terms of the way one
> >would use it. More convenient because the effect is fast and the dosage
> >can be varied, and you can start and stop at will. Inconvenient because
> >my experience is that iboga wears you down over time. Also it can be
> >scary if you take too much for the everyday situation at hand. Both iboga
> >and SSRI's seem to lessen one's sensitivity to inner pain, and thus allow
> >a more objective look at things. I had no insights with Paxil, although
> >I especially enjoyed a warm, energised feeling it added to smoking pot.
> >My mundane helper is Neurontin - it is a mood stabiliser also used for
> >pain patients, and in small doses (300-400mg for sleep a couple of times
> >a week) it seems to enhance energy, relaxation, and groundedness. I
forget
> >about it for many weeks at a time, remembering if I am troubled or run
> >down. Among drugs/entheogens, it most reminds me of the feeling one has
> >in the days following an ayahuasca session. Larger doses of Neurontin
> >are uncomfortable for me, and I've heard this of other people.
> >
>
> I think your statements are quite accurate on low dose ibogaine. You
really
> have to understand how the doses you take are going to effect you.  It
would
> not surprise me if the same effects of running you down over time would be
seen
> if noribogaine was administered.  After all, if you take ibogaine you get
> noribogaine.  However, this supports the perception of ibogaine as having
> virtually no abuse potential.  I think that once you get into the 100mg
level
> ibogaine's antiaddictive effects kick in and that is an added safety
factor.
>
> I only find low dose neurontin useful for sleep if taken in combination
with
> a benzodiazepine.  I am also very skeptical of the safety of high dose
> neurontin regimens as I would be for the general use of any anti-epileptic
drug in a
> non-epileptic patient.  The one thing you can take for granted is the
> pharmaceutical companies will sell you anything they can.
>
> Howard
>
>
>
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