[ibogaine] Ayahuasca/Iboga comparisons?

Scott scottmarkwell at toast.net
Tue Mar 30 22:10:40 EST 2004


Thanks--I think I sort of get it... at least as well as I possibly can until
I've had the experience myself. 
 
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From: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: 3/30/2004 12:07:52 PM
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Ayahuasca/Iboga comparisons?
 
mind you, I've only had one ibo experience, so my description can only
account for that, which isn't really a well designed comparison. It's just
been my experience so far and on that note, it isn't really much of a
description for an experience that has affected me as profoundly as it has.
 
and to be honest, i really didn't feel so much scolded as i was directly
guided to looking at some deeper issues that i needed to focus on and
understand. ibo seemed to also have a cryptic, symbolic language that takes
time to integrate and so does aya but the way they represent themselves in
my experience seem different somehow.
 
- visions were different (ibo more like vivid dreams and aya more patterned,
geometric and futuristic)
 
- body sensations were different (ibo felt slightly out of bodied & flowing,
aya  more electrified and travelling through various circuits in the body
like lightpulses)
 
- sounds very acute and crystalline on ibo, on aya more acute on the
internal dialogue level, but i also had the pleasure of having beautiful
music played and sung (icaros during the aya) on both journeys that made the
whole experience very grounding and guided by it, in a sense.
 
 
in short, you're right: everybody is different
 
and all experience is valid.
 
~inflowe~
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott"
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:54:22 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
To:
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Ayahuasca/Iboga comparisons?
 
 
 
 
This is fascinating that both you and Steven experience Aya as more 
maternal' because that's not how I experience Aya, but maybe I  should
mention I've never done the actual Cappi vine,  I've only done analogs with
Syrian Rue (extract of 2-3 grams) and Jurema Preta (extract of 8+ grams.) (I
m about 140 lbs.)
 
But I have noticed that on 5 grams of Jurema it is much more "warm and
fuzzy--" about like 2 grams of very good mushrooms or a couple hundred mcgs.
of lsd, only of course very different in it's 'charector.' On a lower dose
it can feel very 'maternal,' but unfortunately I've never found lower doses
to be of that much benefit (maybe I don't need mothering?).
 
On 8+ grams of Jurema the experience could well be described as big daddy in
the sky grabbing you by the scruff of the neck and shaking you violently for
six hours while lecturing you on things that... just make a WHOLE lot of
sense. At least that's my experience, and I know everyone is different.
 
Is a lower dose of Ibo more maternal, or is it always paternal?
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: 3/29/2004 11:54:30 AM
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Ayahuasca/Iboga comparisons?
 
aya/ibo
 
new school/old school
 
futurshapes/ancient past
 
When on aya, I asked her about my work with iboga and she said to me: 'yes,
i know iboga' and showed me this vision of a caricature which popped up out
of a cylindrical portal kinda dealio looking much like a smiley carved
wooden voodoo doll that was very distinctly different from any other aya
vision/landscape that surrounded it. It made me laugh pretty hard actually,
as I had always had a heavy sense about Iboga and it helped me to lighten
this up a little. The sense I got was that aya and ibo are old friends, they
just work in different ways.
 
I agree with the mama's embrace/papa's schoolin' comparison.
 
Both had beautiful things to show me and were very good at also scolding me
for the things I needed to look at or do. Just in different ways...
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Anker" <stevenanker at hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:11:24 -0800
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Ayahuasca/Iboga comparisons?
 
> Ayahuasca/Iboga
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> mother/father
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