[ibogaine] Bill -Laurent- Re: [ibogaine] rootbark & homemade extract

laurent sazy laurentsazy at free.fr
Wed Jan 7 17:40:51 EST 2004

On 7/01/04 16:56, "adam gur" <adamg at 013.net.il> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Ross" <ross at cgl.ucsf.edu>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Bill -Laurent- Re: [ibogaine] rootbark & homemade
> extract
>> Hi Adam,
>> Put another way, I understand that in a Bwiti initiation there
>> is a lot going on, someone said it's like a whole village,
>> each with a different role, working to enable your rebirth.
>> It is claimed that this activity works with the iboga.
>> Given the amount of intention involved (for example the harp
>> player is said to be actually married to his instrument in a
>> formal ceremony), I bet it is impossible to fathom what is being
>> done and why in one visit.
> Hi Bill,
> That is one bet you would loose.
> It is like a whole village, unless it's not.
> Everyone plays a role, but most play the role of attendees, just as
> any congregation, except there's almost no sitting down...
> And just like churches, mosques and synagogues everwhere,
> they may be running a full-house with top-billings or getting by on
> a meager turn-out.
> And all this does not matter in the least.
> Btw, I'll add a small jpg to this email, which you and others may find
> interesting...
> That's St. Michael, not Jesus, savior and patron of iboga, but this is not
> true for all Bwitis.
> I would have agreed with you, from my arrival there till a little into my
> initiation, that I
> am not in a position to understand nor assess anything I was witnessing, let
> alone all
> things Bwiti.
> But once you take iboga, you wake-up to your higher self,
> and you *know*;  you flicked on a floodlight in a dark-room.
> And the one thing you can take to the bank is that the whole ceremony is
> just a show...
> No offense intended, and it's a great show... but I've been backstage.
> This show comes with a programme, and I'm not using this word
> lightly. According to my dic', 'programme' means, among
> other things-
> 1) A system of projects or services intended to meet a public need
> 2) A performance (or series of performances) at a public presentation
> 3) A series of steps to be carried out or goals to be accomplished
> And yes this programme serves the bwiti initiates, and the continuity
> of the bwiti tradition, culture and way of life. But you and westerners in
> general would be in for a rude awakening. Because....
> The programme is to make your immediate surroundings a living hell and
> they are very, very accomplished in that respect. Because  the iboga, for
> the
> initiate, is intended strictly for 'voyaging' and the best way they can send
> you
> off is to freak you right out of yourself... It's all part of the show...
> It starts with painting you red, then the 2 wreaths that crisscross your
> chest like
> ammo-belts and the crown one. Once you lie down, (on your right side only,
> for
> the next 3 days) the crushing of the wreaths releases this awful,
> nauseating, fragrance
> that just torments the hell out of you.
> They also burn bouquets of the same stuff from the other side of the wall,
> and the wall
> doesn't reach the floor, see, in fact, there's almost a foot missing at the
> bottom, right by
> our heads, and a little further in, another embankment, maybe 3 feet high..
> so while you
> can't see anything, every once in a while, they smoke a bouquet in this
> space, and this
> too just overwhelms you...
> It gets better... the music.. yes, there was the harpsichord, but also a
> dozen wood logs for
> drums, and most were not the hollow cool-sounding ones; the cacophony is
> literally intended
> to crack open your head...
> And then you tune-in to this alluring and seductive melody..
> Until you snap out in shock- how the hell did I listened to that thru all
> the racket? How can I
> know/follow the harp player around in the other room, with or without the
> racket? How can
> I even tell that he's playing it very gently, almost too softly for normal
> hearing conditions?
> The answer is 'assemblage point', which is sort of the focal point of your
> being.
> And in our daily lives, we are too attached to, and identified with, our own
> physical bodies
> to let our 'assemblage point' go wandering about... Just knowing about this
> can go a very long
> way on your next ibo trip... (For more info on the 'assemblage point', I
> recommend Jon Whale's
> 'The Catalyst of Power'...)
> Here's another personal example.. I'm lying on my side, supporting my head
> in an upright position
> with my forearm, and there's this little bug crawling on the floor next to
> me... I'm checking him out..
> not fascinated by it, just observing him, but in doing so I'm zooming in,
> easily, and checking him out
> some more, and now he's occupying most of my field of vison, as though he
> was the size of a tank,
> and then the size of a macy-parade balloon-character, and I'm checking out
> his under-side!!!
> -"whoooaa" is right, I snap out and realize, I never 'physically' moved an
> inch...
> I attended a 10-day vipassana retreat (meditation) a year ago, where they
> teach you to focus your 'self'
> or 'assemblage point' on this one tiny spot just underneath the nose,
> between the nostrils and to shrink
> that spot so that your 'presence' occupies less and less space...
> With practice, you can experience/merge with a single cell, in its entirety,
> access the dna, or go further
> and experience quantum reality... Until less than a century ago, no western
> scholar could make heads
> or tails from eastern esoteric writings; we had to first discover quantum
> physics for ourselves...
> And there I was, knowing that this was something that I actually experienced
> in africa; I knew,
> intimately, parts of my body, anywhere I chose to roam-scan-know, and I knew
> that I would never manage
> to put any of it into words-- like Neo in the first Matrix, I was
> 'mouthless'... I didn't know, though, that I
> could go even beyond the spot/area on my body... now I'm aware of this
> potentiality and so are you.
> So you could attend, in theory, a great, authentic, bwiti initiation, or a
> lousy one, with an abbe
> who rummages thru your bags and where money and valuables disappear, where
> the
> abbe's father molests 7 year old girls, where people bare naked aggression
> in hourly matches of
> bravura and where a whole lot of shit just goes on and on for the pettiest
> of reasons..
> And you know what, it makes no difference, because you are going to take
> iboga and flick the light
> on, you're going to go backstage and laugh at that old 'you' that set out to
> meet noble, enlightened
> spiritual tribesmen and ended up in an african hillbillia, and even then,
> you're going to see yourself
> in them- maybe be lucky enough to turn around to glance at the initiate next
> to you, who happens
> to be the trembling, bug-eyed 8 year old daughter of the abbe and
> connect/download/merge with
> her... even if just for a few secs...
> ...so you'd loose the bet, Bill, because iboga would not be iboga, if it
> required anything, other
> than you stepping up to the plate....
> That's not to say I advocate taking iboga without a guide... But we need
> western guides for
> western initiates... we won't approach the cultural heritage of the bwiti,
> but we've got to start
> somewhere....
> Many thanks on the Pygmy music link/info, I'd love to get my hands on more
> for my upcoming
> voyage...
> sincerely,
> Adam Gur
Bokayé Adam,

I just read your camerounese experience after answering you. Sorry for the
bad experience. I'm very lucky to work with quiet good people.
I can understand what is your feeling after so much violence. I saw bad
comportement from initiate people . Even sometimes when I saw how they act,
I asked myself why giving iboga to this man. He just need to eat "caca de
poules"( chicken shit).
Yes in Africa, people spoke strongly with violence, yes they robe your money
, yes you have to take care of your pocket, even in the Bwiti, yes they can
brings machettes......etc Africa has a strong past and I saw in Gabon how
much was the influence of colonisation and religion(mostly christian).
Mind is broken....but still alive and the réunification with the past
through iboga and Bwiti is an interesting road because we crossed on the
same ways.
This is why the rituals and protocoles are interresting(you have to find
good master), because like in School or every where, students or teachers
can be bad but the program is interesting. You can learn for your
Before in the Bwiti they were working with ancestor crâne, and others bad
things, now with the people with I'm working they decide to stop black or
white magie or sorcellery and just works for the light and to exchange
knowledge because it is the way to survive.
Sorry for the music but you had probably bad musicians. Because I have
discovered the Mongongo ( arc en bouche) great instrument and what about
harp or percussions or songs with female voice..........The voice of the
mongongo it is the iboga road.......
Clapping hands for all night under iboga influence or dancing ......it is
good for heart and iboga works with heart and brain..........probably for
some people it doesn't work.....what can we do
For iboga taste ....in french we said "c'est comme boire la mer ou la mère"
mais iboga est un bois amer  because life is amertume    no?



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