[ibogaine] Day 29...

Hannah Clay hannah.clay at ntlworld.com
Sat Aug 28 07:53:54 EDT 2004


I feel like I must defend the 'opiate detox' website as I've been there a while and I've found real help and inspiration there in my darkest days!  Its just that its grown SO much in the last few months that its very different now-not so personal.  Every day theres new faces!  There used to be a new thread every so often and now there's a whole page of new ones daily!  Its hard to keep track!  I have met some amazing people there who have really helped me and have made some good friends.  I spose its helping more and more people which can only be a good thing!  Its definately not got the same attitude as this 'place' but its there for a purpose (opiate detox) and has to keep alot of people happy-bit like NA?  Take what you need and leave the rest? That's what I do.  At least Ibogaine is mentioned!  And there's a couple of people (one of whoms you Shell ;-)) who have done it so theres info there if people are interested.  Hell...as long as they're helping people!

But I agree, I feel much more at home here!  I didn't feel like I could ever say "actually I quite like H" there or "if H hadn't been there for me maybe I'd have killed myself so maybe its a good thing" and I felt sometimes that it was getting cliquey or bitchy.  Too judgemental sometimes.

Anyway, we're here now so let's enjoy.....

Me?  I'm on Subutex but have still been dabbling-the appeal of snowballs was too much for a while but now I'm back on best behaviour!  I'm very interested in Ibogaine but don't know when I'll have the cash.  I have no one around me who knows anything about it.  I've told people but its like a myth to them.  I wish I could do it and SHOW them all its power!  I've tried to get my boyf to read info on it but with bills to pay etc its not a priority for him.  Then again he always said he be willing to pay anything he could afford to see me free of this addiction....

Sorry I'm rambling again!
I'd just like to add that I'm thinking of you Preston, Marc and Sean-way to go, lead the way boys!  Sean I don't spose you're off that website too?  Anyway,thanks for letting us in on these amazing events, love to you all,

Hannah :-)

 ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: shelley krupa 
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 3:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Day 29...

  Hey CHarlie!Glad to run into you!Yeah,I was overjoyed to fing this site,didnt get much reception at opiate detox,now this site is another level!!!Hope to see you soon-shell

  cw <chowlee at qwest.net> wrote: 
    Hi Loop, Shelley,
    It's great to run into both of you again; this is "Fluffy" from "Opiate Detox" site.  I haven't been there for a while though.  I've been focusing on getting as much info on Ibogaine as I can find.  
    I just started the Suboxone again, a few days ago, so I'm too week to type much; it doesn't do much for me, but it's better than nothing.  
    My quest for Ibogaine/Iboga continues; Suboxone doesn't have a good record with me ; = (
    Take care,

    www.pokerweb.com - 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: shelley krupa 
      To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
      Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:15 AM
      Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Day 29...

      Hi Loop,glad to see you in another forum!Thanks for your response,I was asking for you I guess,Im not sure that part about AD's,I know they treat ppl with dual dx with ibo,guess well hear more as time gose on-shell

      Hannah Clay <hannah.clay at ntlworld.com> wrote: 
        Hi Shelley!

        I wondered if you were the same Shelley-I use the 'opiate detox' website too.  I was probably who you were referring to when you said about the ADs.  I was told by an experienced sitter:

        "you would have to wean off the
        antidepressants. You MUST NOT be on any medication when you take the
        ibogaine. "

        And they also said this about Ibogaine and Subutex:

        "Subutex has a half life of between 30 and 60 hours which means your best bet
        is to switch from subutex to a shorter acting opiate four or five days
        before taking the ibogaine. You mustn't have any subutex after sixty hours
        before treatment ie there has to be sixty hours between last hit of subutex
        and ibogaine. Obviously you may feel the withdrawals which makes it safer to
        quit subutex five days prior and switch to something else to stabilise. This
        is also very important as subutex and ibogaine can be very dangerous."

        I just hope they don't mind me posting this!  I just wanted to help-I find these confusing yet very important questions to ask!
        LOL Hannah (Loop)

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: shelley krupa 
          To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
          Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:00 PM
          Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Day 29...

          Hi List,hey Ive been posting on a site called opiate detox talking about ibogaine(theyre all in favor of buprenex),one of the folks there was asking about bup detox with ibo,wouldnt that be just like any other opiate,i know its an anognist/antagonist or some such,also they were saying he had to be off his antidepressant,Ive never heard of that,any body know??????

          Brad Fisher <brad.fisher at guaranty.com> wrote: 
            I am now 52 my youngest daughter graduated from Hi School this spring, as you can see I had responsibilities and was surrounded with reasons to make it work, probably much different situation. Make no mistake I was a glutton to the end and still could be. I really wanted to have my youngest daughter have a good environment. I have known for some time that now is when my challenge will really begin, my children are grown and mostly on their own.
              -----Original Message-----
              From: mcorcoran [mailto:mcorcoran27 at yahoo.com]
              Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:42 AM
              To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
              Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Day 29...

              Thanks Brad. I too know that feeling of being on meth and feeling (almost) normal and actually I was thinking back last night on my life on methadone and remembered that when I got on my first program I needed to have a special letter from the state approving the treatment because I was only 16 so I've been struggling with this for as long as I can remember. That first period on meth was joke and I I just ended up shooting more dope and coke but the second time around maybe 4 years later for me was very different I was tired and I really wanted to stop and I do admit it did the trick for a while. I went back to school and got my shit together but as I look back on it now it was a lie and that (almost normal) feeling eventually brought me right back out because as we both know being on a meth program eventually makes you feel just about the furthest thing from normal especially if you've been able to put your life together in o ther areas. Well that was my experience anyway. Good luck and thank you again and be in touch any time.

              Brad Fisher <brad.fisher at guaranty.com> wrote: 
                Congratulations "M", I have followed your journey, waited for your "return" and am happy for you. It was 9 years ago next week, the last time I came out of a Rehab. and was drug free. All of your descriptions have reminded me of those feelings and thoughts, I never took it as serious as it is. The past 5 years MMT has stabilized my life and got me thinking I'm normal, we know better. You and Preston have given me new hope and probably, many others.

                 -----Original Message-----
                From: mcorcoran [mailto:mcorcoran27 at yahoo.com]
                Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:08 AM
                To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
                Subject: [ibogaine] Day 29...

                  Well I think today makes 29 days since I had any dope or meth and it feels great. Its actually my birthday today, which I've always hated because it was more a reminder of anything else that I have been addicted for another year. (first did dope on the day after my birthday 12 years ago) But its a new day. I feel like life is just beginning again and life is getting a little better everyday and the only thing that could fuck that up now is by putting any kind of opiate back into my system. I am allergic, simple as that. Break out in detoxes and handcuffs and all that shit. Ya gotta admit some of the little NA slogans are right on. 
                  I slept almost 9 hours last night which was amazing. Still have a few chills here and there and my bowel is still very loose. But it keeps getting a little better everyday and I feel myself getting stronger and stronger and looking better and better everyday.  
                  I can't tell you all what a difference its made to keep close to the movement and the treatments. I feel as long as I stay connected in that aspect and stay close to the spirit (if you like) I couldn't imagine ever going backwards. 
                  Good vibes to all and keeping good thought's for everyone in the pool right now. -M.

                  jon grocott <sjonnygee at msn.com> wrote: 
                    Hi Jasen,
                              the reason dialaudid is prescribed in this case is because of severe pain, most doctors don't prescribe it for any other reason. It's ironic though to use strong opiates to help get off methadone, I've thought about it myself before. .......... Jon.

                    >From: "Jasen Chamoun" <JasenHappy at optusnet.com.au> 
                    >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
                    >To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com> 
                    >Subject: Re:    Re: [ibogaine] I am the the god of cluck ! pt.2(Australia) 
                    >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:29:23 +1000 
                    >   Dear list, 
                    >   Wow,I can't believe that docters are prescribing dialaudid,this is fantastic.I think it would be a good way to come off methadone. 
                    >   By taking dil' for say..,3 months,so by then the (most of) the done is out of your system,and comming off would be so much easier.(I am not telling you anything here that most of you wouldn't already know.) 
                    >   I wish docters over here were prepared to do that. I think the government and medical proffesion here is quite anal concerning addiction sickness. 
                    >   Other than that,we have a pretty good system of government and good docters,it's just a pity they're not very open minded concerning addiction.Also a pity that big business,such as pharm' companies are so mega money orientated.If only...... 
                    >   If I could transfer onto dialaudid for three months,..wow,..not to get off,but to help get off the done.Although feeling full never goes astray. 
                    >   I would assume it would not be as stressing to the body to come off dialauded as it is the 'done. 
                    >   Of course no come down is easy,..ay. 
                    >                                                         Jasen (Australia) 

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