[ibogaine] Day 29...

Hannah Clay hannah.clay at ntlworld.com
Wed Aug 25 17:50:11 EDT 2004

Hi Shelley!

I wondered if you were the same Shelley-I use the 'opiate detox' website too.  I was probably who you were referring to when you said about the ADs.  I was told by an experienced sitter:

"you would have to wean off the
antidepressants. You MUST NOT be on any medication when you take the
ibogaine. "

And they also said this about Ibogaine and Subutex:

"Subutex has a half life of between 30 and 60 hours which means your best bet
is to switch from subutex to a shorter acting opiate four or five days
before taking the ibogaine. You mustn't have any subutex after sixty hours
before treatment ie there has to be sixty hours between last hit of subutex
and ibogaine. Obviously you may feel the withdrawals which makes it safer to
quit subutex five days prior and switch to something else to stabilise. This
is also very important as subutex and ibogaine can be very dangerous."

I just hope they don't mind me posting this!  I just wanted to help-I find these confusing yet very important questions to ask!
LOL Hannah (Loop)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: shelley krupa 
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Day 29...

  Hi List,hey Ive been posting on a site called opiate detox talking about ibogaine(theyre all in favor of buprenex),one of the folks there was asking about bup detox with ibo,wouldnt that be just like any other opiate,i know its an anognist/antagonist or some such,also they were saying he had to be off his antidepressant,Ive never heard of that,any body know??????

  Brad Fisher <brad.fisher at guaranty.com> wrote: 
    I am now 52 my youngest daughter graduated from Hi School this spring, as you can see I had responsibilities and was surrounded with reasons to make it work, probably much different situation. Make no mistake I was a glutton to the end and still could be. I really wanted to have my youngest daughter have a good environment. I have known for some time that now is when my challenge will really begin, my children are grown and mostly on their own.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: mcorcoran [mailto:mcorcoran27 at yahoo.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:42 AM
      To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Day 29...

      Thanks Brad. I too know that feeling of being on meth and feeling (almost) normal and actually I was thinking back last night on my life on methadone and remembered that when I got on my first program I needed to have a special letter from the state approving the treatment because I was only 16 so I've been struggling with this for as long as I can remember. That first period on meth was joke and I I just ended up shooting more dope and coke but the second time around maybe 4 years later for me was very different I was tired and I really wanted to stop and I do admit it did the trick for a while. I went back to school and got my shit together but as I look back on it now it was a lie and that (almost normal) feeling eventually brought me right back out because as we both know being on a meth program eventually makes you feel just about the furthest thing from normal especially if you've been able to put your life together in o ther areas. Well that was my experience anyway. Good luck and thank you again and be in touch any time.

      Brad Fisher <brad.fisher at guaranty.com> wrote: 
        Congratulations "M", I have followed your journey, waited for your "return" and am happy for you. It was 9 years ago next week, the last time I came out of a Rehab. and was drug free. All of your descriptions have reminded me of those feelings and thoughts, I never took it as serious as it is. The past 5 years MMT has stabilized my life and got me thinking I'm normal, we know better. You and Preston have given me new hope and probably, many others.

         -----Original Message-----
        From: mcorcoran [mailto:mcorcoran27 at yahoo.com]
        Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:08 AM
        To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
        Subject: [ibogaine] Day 29...

          Well I think today makes 29 days since I had any dope or meth and it feels great. Its actually my birthday today, which I've always hated because it was more a reminder of anything else that I have been addicted for another year. (first did dope on the day after my birthday 12 years ago) But its a new day. I feel like life is just beginning again and life is getting a little better everyday and the only thing that could fuck that up now is by putting any kind of opiate back into my system. I am allergic, simple as that. Break out in detoxes and handcuffs and all that shit. Ya gotta admit some of the little NA slogans are right on. 
          I slept almost 9 hours last night which was amazing. Still have a few chills here and there and my bowel is still very loose. But it keeps getting a little better everyday and I feel myself getting stronger and stronger and looking better and better everyday.  
          I can't tell you all what a difference its made to keep close to the movement and the treatments. I feel as long as I stay connected in that aspect and stay close to the spirit (if you like) I couldn't imagine ever going backwards. 
          Good vibes to all and keeping good thought's for everyone in the pool right now. -M.

          jon grocott <sjonnygee at msn.com> wrote: 
            Hi Jasen,
                      the reason dialaudid is prescribed in this case is because of severe pain, most doctors don't prescribe it for any other reason. It's ironic though to use strong opiates to help get off methadone, I've thought about it myself before. .......... Jon.

            >From: "Jasen Chamoun" <JasenHappy at optusnet.com.au> 
            >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
            >To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com> 
            >Subject: Re:    Re: [ibogaine] I am the the god of cluck ! pt.2(Australia) 
            >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:29:23 +1000 
            >   Dear list, 
            >   Wow,I can't believe that docters are prescribing dialaudid,this is fantastic.I think it would be a good way to come off methadone. 
            >   By taking dil' for say..,3 months,so by then the (most of) the done is out of your system,and comming off would be so much easier.(I am not telling you anything here that most of you wouldn't already know.) 
            >   I wish docters over here were prepared to do that. I think the government and medical proffesion here is quite anal concerning addiction sickness. 
            >   Other than that,we have a pretty good system of government and good docters,it's just a pity they're not very open minded concerning addiction.Also a pity that big business,such as pharm' companies are so mega money orientated.If only...... 
            >   If I could transfer onto dialaudid for three months,..wow,..not to get off,but to help get off the done.Although feeling full never goes astray. 
            >   I would assume it would not be as stressing to the body to come off dialauded as it is the 'done. 
            >   Of course no come down is easy,..ay. 
            >                                                         Jasen (Australia) 

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