[ibogaine]reply to Rober (was) this community
ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Wed Aug 25 13:02:39 EDT 2004
hard part comes after what happens next month or in
two months when the ibogaine wears off totally.<
I gotta admit that I'm deathly afraid of one thing in particular- when V
gets in a pissy, catty, "I'm an angry redhead" mood. I hate fighting with my
loved one, A LOT. I get very upset by it, and can immediately feel like
using from that sort of stress, which kinda sucks in that I love her more
than anyone in the world and don't plan on not being with her for hours upon
hours of every single day- so it's something that's been on my mind,
particulary since we've already had one or two very brief flashes of it
I mean it, there's almost nothing I hate more than fighting with V. It
really can affect me deeply, along with life's other hurdles, so I'm hoping
and praying (again, if that's what one should call it) that I can figure out
how to react/act in ways that won't sabotage myself/ourselves.
So thanks for the reminder Carla.
Peace and love to all,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carla Barnes" <carlambarnes at yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]reply to Rober (was) this community
> That's a great explanation Callie :-)
> What was a really interesting point that Curtis bought
> up is ibogaine on demand. That expression has been on
> and off here for years but something I have noticed in
> everyone who has made it for a long time after
> ibogaine and kept going and people who do it and then
> don't for some reason is that part exactly.
> I keep looking for what the difference is between
> someone who made it and when I started staying clean
> my role model was Patrick because he was so messed up
> and there isn't anyone I showed what he wrote to, who
> said that someone like that could ever stay clean. I
> thought if he could do it then it has to be possible
> because he is doing it.
> Then there have been so many people here over the
> years who come and go and if I think about what the
> one's who have lasted have in common is, what Patrick
> wrote is really true it is all belief. When Preston
> writes about what he's going through and where
> anything is going in the future and how to keep that
> going, that's true for me too.
> I'm not all into doing ibogaine as much as some who
> are here are, I am thrilled with everyone and it is so
> neat to see people who have their lives back but the
> hard part comes after what happens next month or in
> two months when the ibogaine wears off totally.
> My opinion is that from the people who I have seen
> last, as different as they are and how much or little
> they are messed up, what the ones who have in common
> is exactly what Curtis wrote, they somehow have access
> to ibogaine whenever they need it, or know they can
> get it any time they want and that gives some kind of
> mental edge to everything.
> That's what Howard keeps saying also, taking control
> of ibogaine for yourself. Nothing ever is given you
> take it and that applies to how you keep going and
> also ibogaine I think. What separates the people I
> know who have kept going from the ones who didn't, is
> they aren't asking anyone else if its a clinic or
> treatment or anything, what they can or should do and
> they're not taking it by anyone else's rules except
> their own rules.
> What it has in common is they have access to ibogaine
> on demand :-)
> Patrick I love the People page, LMAO :-) Add
> alchemist's lane that is a awesome title for what
> everyone is doing :-) Maybe also what Steven suggested
> which is adding a place for ibogaine group meetings
> It's so cool to see everything going forward and keep
> Love to everyone here and especially all the people in
> NY right now who have taken control of ibogaine for
> themselves :-)
> Carla B
> --- CallieMimosa at aol.com wrote:
> > Hi Robert, It is hard to figure this 'place' out at
> > first but it is very
> > special and actually I don't think it important to
> > try and figure it out.
> > There is a bond here between us all, even the folks
> > who just read and never
> > post. We are all alike and understand each other so
> > well. We understand
> > without having to say anything at all.
> > I have seen only a couple of arguments but what
> > family or group doesn't
> > argue a bit. I think arguing or disagreeing is very
> > important in relationships.
> > It shows that they are true blue!
> > I really hope you Keep coming back and will share or
> > debate if we can
> > eventually agree to disagree!
> > Callie
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