[ibogaine] About NA after ibogaine. Long message PLEASE read!
ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Tue Aug 24 22:41:44 EDT 2004
>I've felt all that so many times but taking
my own directions and doing what I wanted hasn't ever worked for me, which
is where the 12 steps are right so far. Does it change after ibogaine?<
Well, my own perceptions about myself and things in general are very
different now, post ibo.
I've made my very first appointment to see someone, a counselor, who is
specializing in post-ibo, or at least, picking up on a few of us here in NYC
(I think) who are post ibo. I have never been into the idea of rattling off
my thoughts to strangers in a clinical setting (online in email or face to
face in friendly settings sure, but clinical? Yuck!). So that's a big change
for me, going in to see this woman (Barbara Judd as a matter of fact,
So yeah, it seems to have change...although I think I've said that a few
times now already.
Peace and love and best of thoughts to you Roberta.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roberta Lapiak" <robertalapiak at hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] About NA after ibogaine. Long message PLEASE read!
> This is all very different I have a lot of respect for whoever lived all
> this. I wanted to ask if it is ok to print these and share them with other
> people who are on methadone at the clinic I go to? I know they are
> but I won't change them in anyway.
> What I also wanted to ask is if this is true of how addiction works for
> of the other people who talk here? I don't see anyone talking about their
> disease or listing off the steps. Can other people stay clean like this?
> whole text comes away with that if you believe then you can do it. I don't
> know if I believe I don't think I do because i never have, how do you find
> so much belief. Does ibogaine help with this?
> Sorry for the dumb questions I'm new to this and wondering how many of you
> here hold together. I agree so much with everything I read in these and
> spent a lot of time re reading. I've felt all that so many times but
> my own directions and doing what I wanted hasn't ever worked for me, which
> is where the 12 steps are right so far. Does it change after ibogaine?
> >From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >Subject: [ibogaine] About NA after ibogaine. Long message PLEASE read!
> >Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:13:58 -0700 (PDT)
> >So sorry if this goes through twice yahoo is not
> >working too well tonight :-(
> >I really to be honest find this place more useful for
> >clearing my head and finding people to talk with then
> >anywhere I've ever been. It's like a cross between a
> >temple, information network I don't even know what
> >it's been said better then I can say it already but it
> >is full of people from all over the world who don't
> >say they're not judgemental but really aren't! I've
> >never found that before. I have been here almost since
> >it started but way back then it was not this huge
> >group like it is now it was much smaller and ibogaine
> >wasn't everywhere like it's starting to be.
> >What I read and even looked up are the articles
> >Patrick was writing for Heroin Times when he first got
> >clean. I asked that someone collect them and put them
> >online yearssssss ago and after 2 years or so Patrick
> >finally got around to it ;-)
> >I love them because they are written while he is
> >getting clean for the first time ever in his life and
> >it's so cool to watch this unfolding and happening for
> >two years. What it starts filled with is so much rage
> >and hate from somebody who is obviously so smart and
> >sooooo mad.
> >What I am saying is both you Patrick who are a walking
> >anti 12-step group all by yourself and Dave, did write
> >a sane article about how to get the most out of the 12
> >steps. The two of you did this and I give both of you
> >so much credit for that, you especially Patrick
> >because you admitted you couldn't do it because you
> >never found anything good about the 12 steps so you
> >did it with Dave!
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