[ibogaine] NA is a joke

Allison Senepart paradisepaint at callsouth.net.nz
Sun Aug 22 05:04:34 EDT 2004

can relate to that callie.  About the last thing I would want when feeling
like shit is someone hugging me and doing all that bullshit.  Its like
making yourself into a victim as far as I am concerned and I don't want to
feel like that at all.  Sometimes I think a lot of people get off on making
themselves feel good cos they like to think themselves better than other
people.  Theres always someone out there with more problems sort of thing
and oh they are so convinced they know best.  Allison 
 PS  I was once told that its not the mistakes you make but the way you deal
with them that makes all the difference and in a lot of respects I think
that can be a very positive way to think.  
-------Original Message-------
From: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Date: Sunday, 22 August 2004 8:51:43 a.m.
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] NA is a joke

CallieMimosa at aol.com wrote: 
In a message dated 8/21/2004 2:46:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
vector620022002 at yahoo.com writes:
but I don't think there are too many who
have had a lot of good come from it. I'm only guessing of course ;)
Patrick did you like NA? ;) ;) ;) Maybe you did you have a banner for
NA on MindVox :)

I have several acquaintances who claim a world of good and happiness as a
result of going to NA meetings. My boss is a recovering nurse in NA but I am
not sure what her drug of choice is/was. She talks 'program' talk and
cliches a lot.
She and the other folks I know who say they got cleaned up with NA go to a
lot of meetings and hang out with mostly other recovering NA success stories
 I see it as a kind of 'social club'.
I have heard speakers who say they were hard core junkies but I think they
are few.
I attended AA when trying to clean up years ago. I felt a lot more
comfortable with the old alcoholics than the cleaned up hippie types in NA. 
They has 'huggers' at the door whose duty it was to hug every person that
came in!!! That turned me off!!! I did not want some chick with flowers in
her hair hugging me or even touching me. I was feeling like shit, confused
and sad and mad!
Then to have to walk in front of everyone and claim desire to take the way
of NA and surrender......YAY! Everybody clapping and they give you a key
chain for Gods sake! Let everybody know you might be operating a vehicle
under influence of narcotics! hahahahaha!!
So, I think I said NA is not for me! If I didn't I have said it now!
If Ibogaine does not work for me I guess I will be a lifetime Methadone
Maintenance patient. I can live with that but I sure hope Ibogaine sets me
in the right direction!
I do know those Bwiti Gods are going to have their work cut out for them
cause I am addict through and through!
Hope everyone is having a good Saturday. Think I will take a nap.

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