[ibogaine] Ibogaine Patients' Bill of Rights
carlambarnes at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 3 16:18:52 EDT 2004
hi Howard, nice idea but it does seem a little silly.
Who do you plan to regulate Mexico? Anyone who has
problems and wants to complain doesn't seem to have
any trouble finding this list and in the years it's
been here there haven't been that many complaints by
patients against anybody. Mash will laugh or sue for
harassment, tell me I'm wrong patrick ;-) Marc are you
still treating people in Canada or is it only for
If you get treatment somewhere, they disagree with
what you wrote in that list, what does it mean?
nothing, it means you can go get treatment somewhere
else, which are the same rights everyone already has.
There isn't any way to force anyone to follow any of
It would be a nice idea but there isn't any that makes
anyone follow it and sorry but it looks like trying to
set yourself up as judge and jury, but without any
power to do anything. If there was some big list of
unhappy people who kept making this a important issue
I think it would be great, but there isn't. There's
always a huge list of people who need ibogaine in the
first place ;-) It looks like someone who wants to
control everything and maybe annoy Mash ;-) When has
that ever accomplished anything? 15 years later and it
still hasn't accomplished anything.
--- HSLotsof at aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/3/04 10:49:38 AM,
> think at francomm.com writes:
> << Howard, I would like to respond your Patient bill
> of rights
> but I am confused about what you are wanting? Is
> this a bill of
> rights to put in place in case Ibogaine is ever a
> legal possibility? >>
> No, It is an Ibogaine Patients' Bill of Rights that
> is in place right now
> regardless of by whom or where you are treated.
> Reality is defined by reality.
> If you are an ibogaine patient and feel your rights
> are not being met then
> complain to your provider and if they don't respond
> file a grievance. See the
> grievance report link in
> If your provider tells you the Ibogaine Patients'
> Bill of Rights has no
> standing. Well, that is what King George initiaily
> thought of the Declaration of
> Independence. Not meant to reflect badly on our
> friends and providers in the
> UK who are a pretty good bunch.
> But, getting back to the Ibogaine Patients' Bill of
> Rights. Do you think
> anything should be added or have any general
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