[ibogaine] Saddam Emery? RE: [ibogaine] Bickering in the Ibo/Activist ...

Sara Glatt sara119 at xs4all.nl
Sat Nov 29 16:19:01 EST 2003


So, why marc doesn't talk to Dana?why don't you support the MMM this
year?
 I don't think that you or Marc would be where you are today without
Dana Beal.
Is this working on Global level? 
Marc wants his name Bigger then Mash isn't it? 

You can change your mind when ever, it is free.


-----Original Message-----
From: sandra . [mailto:windforme at graffiti.net] 
Sent: zaterdag 29 november 2003 5:37
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Saddam Emery? RE: [ibogaine] Bickering in the
Ibo/Activist ...

Yipes! It's been awhile since I've been able to read the list, it's
amazing to see so many responses to this thread. It's good. I guess all
I really need to clarify is that I'm not really as 'bent' as it may have
come across. My point was intended to be simple: basically, i took the
description of the interaction between Kroupa and Pinchbeck at the forum
to be a little bit more than what I had personally experienced or
perceived. I didn't really think it was such a big deal...My second
response was  just a reaction to the s.o.b/saddam emery thing...I said I
wouldn't post anymore 'cause I think it's kinda silly really. Funny too,
mind you. I meant that I wasn't going to post on this topic anymore, not
on the list entirely...As you can see I've changed my mind about posting
on this thread. I felt like I should share my thoughts now that it's
gone this deep and re-clarify...

Someone posted earlier that it would have been good to hear a synopsis
of what was talked about, I think that's a great idea as a lot of great
information was shared. It was a totally worthwhile experience. The
forum was filmed, I'm just waiting to get a copy of it so that we can
post it on pot-tv for all to see. Stay tooned...

I'd love to see more co-operation between people in the ibo movement.
Please don't take my comments to be more than that. My reasons for
wanting to see less focus on the nitty gritty is really directly related
to my work. There's so much to learn sometimes it seems slightly
overwhelming, and when the focus get's switched to well, whatever...it
get's a bit frustrating for me, but i'm openminded regardless and paying
attention whenever possible. So don't go git'n yer knickers in a knot
over trivials...


On another note, perhaps now a new topic:

We're in the process of creating a database of information for people
who have undergone Ibo therapy. At the therapy house this means starting
in our own backyard in B.C. and contacting service providers,
therapists, counsellors, detox progs., insite, people working in all
sorts of treatment modalities such as md's, naturopaths, homeopaths,
yoga instructors, nutrition counsellors, masseurs and others, as well as
reps. from the compassion clubs, drug user advocacy groups etc...to
create a list of people who are informed about ibo therapy and willing
to offer their support to those who have experienced it and need support
in aftercare (like Jaden). 

It's quite a task to take on but we're hoping to have our first meeting
soon and I think there's going to be a strong group there. Hopefully we
can at least begin with a links page that provides some options to check
out. 

The plan is to expand it into a database of these options available
around the globe. Anyone interested in sending links/ideas/contact info
please contact me off list at sandra at ibogatherapyhouse.org. It would be
a useful tool for all of us I think.  

thx and cheers out to all you freaks,

-madam madass saddam sandra 





----- Original Message -----
From: <gboy at hush.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 06:15:12 -0800
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Saddam Emery? RE: [ibogaine] Bickering in the
Ibo/Activist ...

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I agree with carla too, in 2 years i've posted to this list 3 times and
keep on reading it because it doesn't bore me. I now got a inbox full
of hate mail or peeps who are saying right on all the peeps who rep ibo
are maniacs. I dont care about the hate i hit deleat, the peeps going
right on didnt understand anything I said because all their mail says
the same thing, everybody should be more like they are and theyre the
ones who should be doing all the talking except nobody cares to hear
it.
I liked the conf a lot, I loved dhoruba and I i love seeing patrick and
pinchbeck because its like two sides of a different world, homeboy is
a drug monster who's done more of everything then near anybody i ever
heard of, pinchbeck is a burning man entheo weenie, they got a lot of
tension and put on a great show i'd pay just to see the two of them put
on a entheogen deathmatch ;-> no issues at all. if everybody did a
science
talk i'd fall asleep its dull, the whole show was dope, nice combo of
everything. if saundra is going to be all bent out of shape over one
msg then smoke another bowl and calm down because thats bullshit, like
i say my opinion and i'm not allowed to? who elected you god. the people
dissing marc emery is a joke too, lighten up and get a sense of humor.

My exact issue is with dana beal dissing people as garbageheads. nobody
needs to be hearing that shit when I paid money to get in their and
watch
this, if i'm a garbagehead then i would have taken my money and spent
it on another bag. that was not called for. that's my issue. I do not
need to pay money to see a show and then have someone who put it on diss
people for attending. especially stoners who are baked 24/7 saying that
shit. who you talking to, say it to yourself.

.g


On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:02:17 -0800 Schmoolyboy at aol.com wrote:
>Well said Carla. Kudos 2 u
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