[ibogaine] After Ibo Advice

Joshua Tinnin krinklyfig at pacbell.net
Mon Nov 3 14:24:10 EST 2003

On Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:55 AM -0700,
Martine Docin-Julien <jardin.dj at free.fr> wrote:

> Hello, I am not trying to bring any kind of propaganda about cannabis and
> I've no interest about it.
> As a nurse, I simply listen to informations given and I've heard that
> some young people taking cannabis are now received in addiction centers,
> that was not the case before, as long as I know.

No, it was not, but now there is the "conventional wisdom" in many courts
that cannabis use autmatically equals abuse. This is in direct contradiction
to most addiction therapy, including the 12-step method, although people in
AA will tell you that if you abuse alcohol you cannot use any substance
which causes euphoria without destroying your life. Well, I'm here to tell
you that isn't true, and I base that on my own experiences. The law in many
places requires that small-time offenders are sent to treatment rather than
jail, and in many cases anyone who is under age is automatically sent to
treatment. This is regardless of whether or not they need treatment. The
courts don't really care whether or not you have an addiction in determining
if you should go to treatment, all they care about is bringing a
legally-proscribed sentence, which is automatic treatment according to the
laws in many locations. Cannabis hasn't changed and people certainly haven't
(and cannabis use has fluctuated but remained relatively steady for the last
few decades), but the legal system has; although it's moving in a better
direction than jailing everyone, the assumption that anyone who uses
cannabis is addicted to it is erroneous. Cannabis "addiction," when it
occurs and if you can really call it that, is also not nearly as serious as
many other forms of addiction. Most people actually quit on their own after
reaching a certain age, which varies but use tends to drop considerably as
age increases, statistically speaking.

> I'm not a specialist in that area, but I've heard of the research done
> about the healing properties of the cannabis and I'm quite sure that
> cannabis can be used in some case by people knowing how to deal with it
> for healing purpose, as for all the plants on earth.
> I'm in relationship with a Bwiti Nganga and I will ask him what he thinks
> of joining Iboga and cannabis.

Not everyone's experience with the Bwiti has been fruitful. Some people have
had much better experiences with "Western" modes of therapy with ibo, and in
fact some people have had very bad experiences with the Bwiti. Of course, it
depends in each case. The Bwiti have understood the spiritual experience
involved with ibo and concentrate on that, but they also have realized the
profit potential of this substance, and are not always fair. Nor are all
therapists. An informed decision is the best sort to make.

> And to close the talk about it from my point of view, I'd like to say
> that the son of one of my friend is in jail for years because he decided
> to punish a dealer who didn't give him right stuff, cannabis; the dealer
> died, for teenagers are in jail.
> There is too much violence around it, let's say cannabis isn't the
> solution that I would propose to someone who works to free
> himself/herself from chemical addiction of any kind.

None of that would be an issue if cannabis were legal. What you describe are
situations caused by cannabis being in the black market. Cannabis does not
incite violence. Alcohol certainly can, but there is no violence associated
with its legal sale. Liquor store owners don't shoot each other in "turf

- jt

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