[ibogaine] morphine vs oxycodone vs methadone

preston peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Tue Jun 17 15:20:24 EDT 2003


>For what it's worth...coming from a methadone pimp...this DEA RED FLAG
thing with doctors is a bunch of nonsense (at least at this time...but
that will change over the next year or two). The DEA hasn't been doing
much of anything to doctors who are prescribing methadone...at least in
this area. <

Don't know about methadone, but my own doctor is voicing concern about
getting flagged for prescribing pain killers, in that while trying to get
her to change my meds to something longer lasting, (something along the
lines of Brett's sustained release morphine is how I think he described it)
that the DEA is "flagging doctors for prescribing pain meds." Personally I
think it's a crock of merde, but then I'm not the doc and don't really know
how the DEA has been treating them.
    She insisted that I have to shell out more money to see a pain
specialist this week which I'll be doing tomorrow morning.
    My doc also told me this week that I need to apply for disability, (and
I don't actually disagree with her as I'm nearly incapacitated by pain in
many ways lately) so I had a phone interview Friday and am waiting for
paperwork to sign to go to the next step, and yet, today, coincidentally, I
got my SS statement which tells me in no uncertain terms that I have not
earned 20 credits of work. Well, I have, but not in the last 10 years
straight, which means I am NOT eligible apparently, which makes absolutely
no sense to me whatsoever in that I've been paying SS since 1981 out of
every fucking paycheck and have been struggling with injuries and pain
nearly that whole time but they are trying to tell me I'm not eligible? What
the fuck is going on in this country? We have enough money to bomb the shit
out of Afghanistan and Iraq and god only knows where else, but we don't have
enough to pay our own citizens' health care and disability when they're
actually disabled? What fuckers. (If anyone is bothered by emphatic lingo,
please excuse. But I'm not sorry really, just being polite.) I have to shell
out yet more money to go to this specialist because my own doc is afraid to
prescribe even more pain meds, alleviating my endless fucking pain, but I
make too much to qualify for medicaid, not enough to really pay for all the
medical bills I'm wracking up, haven't made enough to qualify for
disability, and can't buy insurance even if I did have the money because of
pre-existing conditions.
    Can anyone tell I'm more than a bit pissed off about this? As a matter
of fact, I'm way, way fucking pissed off about all this.
    And Brett, I'm glad to hear that you at least seem to be finding what
works best for you with apparently little trouble. I myself wouldn't
necessarily recommend methadone for pain, but I hear it is used by some for
just that purpose, so use your own best judgement, as I'm sure you would
with or without my input.
    Peace,
    Preston

----- Original Message -----
From: Reynaldo Gonzalez
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] morphine vs oxycodone vs methadone




Rick Venglarcik <RickV at hnncsb.org> wrote:
For what it's worth...coming from a methadone pimp...this DEA RED FLAG
thing with doctors is a bunch of nonsense (at least at this time...but
that will change over the next year or two). The DEA hasn't been doing
much of anything to doctors who are prescribing methadone...at least in
this area. Our clinic has taken a major hit from all the people
dropping out of MMTP to go with a private doctor. Doctors are not being
popped, despite regular complaints from clinic directors in the area to
the DEA re: this issue.

So if you think methadone is the way to go, I would just keep
looking...or ask around at the meth. clinics. There are plenty of docs
out there who will prescribe.

Personally, I think the issue is a calculated strategy to drive down
methadone clinic censuses in order to reduce federal funding...driving
many public clinics out of busine! ss so private clinics can rush in after
the DEA finally cracks down on prescribing doctors.

_____________________________________
Rick Venglarcik, MA, CSAC
Hampton Roads Clinic
2236 W. Queen St., Suite C
Hampton, VA 23666

Office: (757) 827-8430 x144
Fax: (757) 826-2772
Cell: (757) 270-9839
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>>> bcalabrese at yahoo.com 06/16/03 03:51PM >>>
Just got back from the doctor.

Basically yes he is licensed to prescribe methadone to
a pain patient BUT some RED FLAG goes off at the DEA
and they come crawl up his ass if he does. So, it
comes down to "it is not a fight I am willing to take
on" - meaning him vs the DEA.

So, in a nutshell I got a script for 60 oxycontin
($175.00 - and that is just to see if it works and on
top of the other meds), a highly desirable drug on the
street - which is just fine and dandy BUT can't get a
prescription for methadon! e (cost about $12 for the
month) because I might be a drug addict going to an
orthopedic surgeon to score nethadone (????? as in
what the F????). That makes so much sense that only
someone working for the DEA that is absoulutely
clueless about drug abuse could come up with it.

Any suggestions, I am not above seeking out the local
methadone clinic BUT think that is more problems than
it is worth - and I am not going to do some daily run
to the clinic and wait to score... Humm, maybe that is
an idea, I could hand out IBOGAINE literature, that
will go over great!

venting over, humph!

I will likely wait and clean out before starting the
oxy. Doing stuff like that is good for the former
addict not to become a current addict... If nothing
else, I am in control, not the drug. And I like being
me, these last 10 days having to take that pill in the
morning (the morphine) sucked. I would wake up ME and
then get this coatin! g over me from the drug, not HIGH
and nothing fun even if I would let it (and I
wouldn't). That is not what I worked so hard for.
There has to be some balance between being drugged and
being non-functional due to pain and they sure make it
a pain in the ass to find out what it might be...

Brett


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