[ibogaine] unbiased ibogaine research? how?

Sara sara119 at xs4all.nl
Tue Jun 3 04:26:41 EDT 2003

What is wrong with making profit ? even the water company makes profit .
People who do research for the farmacutical industry make a fortune ,
why would they change to a non profit research ? 
I don't know Dr. Mash in person but I don't think that she makes huge
profits,she could make more money doing something else.

Ibogaine will not go anywhere ,just because the farmacutical industry 
Doesn't want it to,It is all about personal interest, that's the drive 
Of our materialistic selfish time we live in.


-----Original Message-----
From: marcus75 at ziplip.com [mailto:marcus75 at ziplip.com] 
Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2003 3:32
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] unbiased ibogaine research? how?

I write this message with respect to everyone and hope to receive the
same.  This means you Patrick, it is not necessary to go off on me, I am
not blindly attacking anyone or making unfounded accusations. I am
writing only on facts as they have been shown over course of years of

I would think that somewhere between Marc's attitude of ibogaine being
very safe and Mash's hysteria of ibogaine will kill everybody unless she
is the one giving it to you, is the middle of some level of what is

What I'd like to know is what the real facts are about ibogaine's safety
or danger. I think that with the present situation none of these will
ever be known by anyone because the only researcher with human data on
giving ibogaine to drug addicts is Mash. Mash is biased, has vested
personal interest in ibogaine and second generation ibogaine drugs
(nor-ibogaine) and Mash lies.

If she doesn't lie then she changes her mind a lot as with the
constantly closing but never really closed Healing Visions.

Ibogaine is never going anywhere in the united states if it depends on
Mash for anything. If she ever submits data to anyone, it's not going to
be anything that says ibogaine is safe. There is never even a need to
interview Mash, everyone already knows what she will say which is
ibogaine is extremely dangerous and kills everyone unless she sells it
to you. 

I think ibogaine in united states is dead, Mash has helped turn it into
same thing as lsd. I don't know how agencies accept data or what they
need for it to qualify but I'm not sure anyone would even accept data
from person who is biased and has so much personal interest in that
outcome. That's not science it is unfair business practice. I am sure no
data will ever show that ibogaine is safe while all data show that
nor-ibogaine is very safe.

There is a real need for an unbiased group of scientists without
personal profit potential who really are investigating what ibogaine
does and what the science is, to have access to patients undergoing
ibogaine treatment. So far there are only ego maniacs with interest in
themselves not in science.

A open question to the list is what can be done to bring scientists who
want to do research instead of make a profit or increase their market
share for a over priced detox, in contact with patients undergoing
ibogaine treatment in Mexico, Canada or elsewhere in the world. 

I see ibogaine treatment moving forward but legal access and scientific
research isn't going anywhere. It hasn't moved in years, with any of it
depending on Mash it will never move. 

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