[ibogaine] ibogaine question seattle
ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Sun Jan 5 23:41:12 EST 2003
Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine question seattle>I thought everyone knew their opiate receptor subtypes.<
Preston (but now I do, thanks.)
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From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine question seattle
>Preston, who is this Peter Hoyle guy, and why do Latimer and Hager have him trashing Ibogaine in the pages of HIGH TIMES? I must confess I missed it, but I would have thought you would have posted any mention of ibo in the magazine to the list.<
I don't know about this, don't know who Hoyle is, haven't seen what you're talking about, I'm innocent...well, ignorant of this anyway. What issue is it in?
He's the only critic of Ibogaine the Georgia Straight could find, apparently. And the reason for that was he was already on record in High Times. But I said I didn't know what issue. The Georgia Straight merely cited it, they didn't a complete citation.
I thought maybe you could find out more easily than the rest of us. The importance lies in the rest of what this guy is saying, which seems to be the new line of the Ibogaine skeptics: "...American drug researcher Peter
Hoyle, ...according to a recent High Times article, doesn't think there's enough evidence to warrant human
trials--especially since the mechanism of ibogaine's action isn't understood."
[Which isn't true, according to JAMA. More like they're not bothering to find out HOW it works since they're interested, period--because they don't believe it works and don't want to contemplate that they might be wrong. But that was kind of what Jonathon Ott was saying also. The new mantra, replacing Ann Ardolino and "Ibogain doesn't work!"]
>What do you think of Marc Emery's new, Iboga House model of the movement? Pretty neat, huh?<
It's more than pretty neat, it's really, really, very neat. ;p-))))
>Imagine the High Times trustees subsidizing an Ibogaine clinic.<
Ok, I'm imagining it.
>No, kappa is one first effects identified with ibogaine. What kappa does is, acutely, to stop overdose, but then over time, to upregulate the effect of mu, which overwise would engender tolerance.<
Huh? Are you still talking about Salvia being an agonist of opiates? What's kappa? What's mu? And again I ask, will using Salvia kick in dope withdrawals if someone is using dope? Regardless of whether they've used ibogaine or not?
That was what I started out talking about. kappa and mu are both opiate receptor types. They just do different things, is all. Mu is what you get from heroin. Kappa--dynophin.
I thought everyone knew their opiate receptor subtypes.
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