[ibogaine] ibogaine question seattle

crownofthorns at hushmail.com crownofthorns at hushmail.com
Sun Jan 5 22:28:26 EST 2003


Understood and thanks for answering bro, Patrick just ignored me :-(

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 20:20:21 -0800 Joshua Tinnin <krinklyfig at myrealbox.com> wrote:
>Hey, Curtis,
>
>I can't really talk about it too much at the moment, so I hope you 
>can
>understand this. Maybe I could take it offlist or something ... 
>it's just a
>very personal situation at the moment, and I'm still trying to work 
>through
>it. But, just to clarify, I never had any addiction to opiates, 
>although I
>probably would have if I put myself in that situation, which I consciously
>avoided. My addiction was to a different substance. Although LSD 
>helped me
>immensely, I'm not out of the woods, and I didn't take it intending 
>to be
>changed forever by it ... but, well, it happened anyway. I'm not 
>by any
>means new to the experience in general. This is why I'm afraid to 
>advocate
>for it, because it took more than just LSD for it to work, and I'm 
>not quite
>sure what all the elements were that did that. I think it was just 
>the right
>time for me, but didn't know it until it happened. It was a ton 
>of bricks
>and about a freight train hitting me at full speed ... LSD was the 
>catalyst,
>to be sure, but it required a very careful combination of other 
>things (not
>chemicals) to be in place for it to work that way. It's unpredicatble. 
>It
>left me with some lingering questions and problems, and some of 
>them are
>just my own lack of self esteem, but it takes time to sort it out.
>
>As I said, I am going to be following up with other therapy. But 
>would
>prefer to leave it at that for the moment. I am not a brilliant 
>communicator
>as Patrick is, and haven't yet figured it all out for myself, either. 
>But
>this is something that I feel has to be shared at some point, because,
> if it
>has the possibility of helping someone, then it will have been worth 
>it. I
>just don't want people dosing themselves thinking that's what I 
>told them to
>do, and then getting pissed because it didn't work for them, or 
>because,
>forbid, they got screwed up by the experience. Just gotta tread 
>carefully
>and take this a bit at a time, and later maybe can speak to it when 
>I
>understand it better, when it would be less likely to be misunderstood 
>...
>
>- jt




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