[ibogaine] 'You can't detox if you're dead'
aa.senepart at xtra.co.nz
Sat Feb 8 05:32:53 EST 2003
When you say "Rig" Do you mean the syringe and needle?? If so would it not
be more efficient and easier to supply everything in one pack like I was
talking about. ??? Allison
From: preston peet <ptpeet at nyc.rr.com>
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Date: Friday, 7 February 2003 04:03
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 'You can't detox if you're dead'
>>Even in New Zealand we can buy a $10.00 pack from most pharmacies that
>includes condoms, 10 syringes and 10 needles wrap-ed individually and
>Addicts can buy rigs here in pharmacies legally now, in NYC, but they don't
>get this extra stuff along with the rigs. For that they have to go to one
>the needle exchanges, where all the alcohol swabs, bleach,
>treatment/use/health info phamplets and more are handed out along with the
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Alison Senepart
>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:17 AM
>Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 'You can't detox if you're dead'
>I would have thought Canada would be far more ahead on that sort of issue.
>Even in New Zealand we can buy a $10.00 pack from most pharmacies that
>includes condoms, 10 syringes and 10 needles wrap-ed individually and
>sterilized. The pack also contains info on the safest injecting sites of
>the body, keeping yourself and your gear clean and a list of addresses of
>suppliers of equipment, as well as a plastic jar with lid to put used
>needles etc into. If you return your dirty gear which gets disposed of in
>specific bin at the pharmacy you get $2.00 off your new pack. Its
>completely legal to walk in off the street and purchase the equipment. The
>oddity of the legal system is that you can purchase but if you are caught
>busted with used equipment or drugs its a criminal offence but at least it
>stops sharing gear and discourages people from dumping possible infected
>equipment in parks or recreation areas etc.
>Also in Sydney, Australia, they have opened a safe injection centre in
>Cross. There were lots of protests, definitely a lot of "Not in my
>backyard" sort of complaint but as far as I know it is still operating.
>Perhaps someone in Australia knows more about that one. Allison
>From: Dana Beal <dana at cures-not-wars.org>
>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>Date: Thursday, 6 February 2003 12:38
>Subject: [ibogaine] 'You can't detox if you're dead'
>>'You can't detox if you're dead'
>>Activists open safe injection site for drug users
>>Wednesday, February 05, 2003
>>VANCOUVER - Leaning against the wall outside the Skyluck
>>Jewelers, one of the dozens of businesses closed on East
>>Hastings Street because of the corrosive influence of
>>epidemic drug use, the bone- thin woman asks a passerby:
>>"You got a rig to spare? Got a rig?"
>>Here she is, on a bright spring-like day, ready to shoot up
>>anything, with anybody's needle. And in the process she
>>may contract HIV, or overdose on the spot, perhaps dying
>>in a nearby alley, curled up in a fetal position as
>>convulsions rack her body. Hundreds have.
>>Just a few doors up the street from where the desperate
>>addict is panhandling for a rig, a door opens from Canada's
>>bleakest sidewalk into a room filled with light, music --
>>and, just maybe, hope.
>>In an unusual event yesterday, a group of social activists in
>>the Downtown Eastside opened what they want to become
>>North America's first safe injection site for drug users.
>>In-Site, as the facility is called by Health Quest, is not much to
>>look at. There is a bright, freshly painted waiting room and
>>signs that advise you to take a number and wait until called.
>>Through a second door is a shooting gallery -- six stainless
>>steel counters with adjacent sinks and mirrors -- where up to
>>300 addicts a day are expected to inject heroin or cocaine.
>>They will bring their own drugs, but the rigs -- clean needles,
>>tourniquets and alcohol swabs -- will be provided by trained
>>staff, who will stand by in case someone gets sick or has an
>>In-Site seems like a simple solution, given that 2,200 people
>>have died of overdose deaths in British Columbia since 1994,
>>and the spread of HIV has reached epidemic proportions in the
>>But getting even this far -- the site is merely a proposed
>>location, without government sanction to operate -- has been
>>a monumental task for the harm-reduction proponents
>>advocating safe injection sites.
>>Kirsten Stuerzbecher, a member of the Health Quest board,
>>said one of the things that first struck her when she moved to
>>Canada was that there weren't any safe injection sites -- even
>> in Vancouver, where drug addiction and related problems have
>>ravished the Downtown Eastside.
>>"When I came over here the question I was asking myself was,
>>'Why is this so hard? What's the problem?' "
>>Ms. Stuerzbecher said safe injection facilities have long been
>>accepted in Germany. "What I came to understand is that it is
>>fear," she said of Canada's reluctance to embrace the concept.
>>"Here we are -- it's a sink, it's a chair, it's a table. It's nothing
>>really, but people are afraid of it.
>>"Ultimately it's a fear that having a site like this will send a
>>message that says, 'It's okay to use drugs.'
>>"Of course that's not what this is all about at all. It's about
>>saving lives. It's about getting drug addicts off the streets, out
>>of the back alleys and into a supervised place like this, where
>>they can get help.
>>"The vision of the perfect society is for no one to use drugs.
>>But until we get there, then the goal is to save the lives of
>>those who do. I think that makes sense."
>>Liz Edwards, a former nurse who is one of the forces behind
>>In-Site, said addicts manage to quit drugs only when they
>>decide to help themselves.
>>"But right now people aren't even being able to get to that
>>place ... You can't detox if you're dead," she said.
>>Thousands of tulips were strewn around the In-Site facility
>>yesterday. Each one represented an overdose victim. The
>>flowers -- more than 2,000 of them -- spilled off the counters
>>and lay in stacks along the floor.
>>Ms. Edwards said Heath Quest is not condoning the use of
>>drugs. It is just looking for "another piece in the puzzle" to
>>combat the use of heroin, cocaine and other illicit substances.
>>"For us the issue is that people are dying," she said.
>>Health Quest opened the facility to the media yesterday, to let
>>the public see what a safe injection site looks like, and to
>>prompt the government to take action.
>>The Vancouver Coastal Health Authority is currently working on
>>a proposal to the federal government, that will seek clearance
>>to operate a safe-injection facility.
>>Larry Campbell, the recently elected Mayor of Vancouver, has
>>endorsed the concept. He campaigned on a promise to have a
>>facility in operation by Jan. 1. The city was unable to get its
>>proposal together in time for that date, however, and now
>>hopes to have filed one by the middle of this month.
>>Sometime this spring the In-Site facility could become legally
>>operational. Between now and then, an unknown number of
>>drug addicts will cage rigs from strangers -- and overdose in
>>mhume at nationalpost.com
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