[ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
bcalabrese at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 27 20:10:24 EDT 2003
A few comments but FIRST a comment to
usergs417 at aol.com
" Maybe I'll start with the dose you began with.
Thanks again for sharing,"
usergs417 at aol.com
Please note that metagrrl reason for using ibogaine is
(as below) "primarily for personal growth and
spiritual exploration" and NOT for addiction, in
particular not for methadone addiction.
It is IMO highly unlikely you will have an experince
anything similar on that dose, the experience for an
addict, in particular an opiate addict, more-so a
methadone addict is typically very different than
someone using ibogaine for "personal growth and
spiritual exploration". IMO, if you are going to get
dosed for detoxing, then do it and don't dick around
with "I am afraid of it" dosing (not enough). I know
at least one person who scared themselves away from
ibogaine doing just what you are suggesting.
You did a dose and got a similar reaction as I do in
that dose range, it just isn't enough, something is
missing... I need and so does Vivian about 12mg/kg,
maybe 10 (on a good day) to break through. That is not
to say you can't with a lower dose, just that I don't,
some people do.
Also, ibogaine is not just the "trip", it is in you,
it is now part of you, still working and will do so
for weeks/months. If you do another dose closer it
will tend to be stronger as you are already "primed"
with nor-ibogaine... It will become clearer the more
you do it., BE CAREFUL.
--- ad astra <metagrrl at yahoo.com> wrote:
> My interest in ibogaine is primarily for personal
> growth and spiritual exploration. I had planned to
> take 1000 mg. or more, but was unable to get a
> for the time I planned to take it, so finally I
> decided to take a smaller dose, and took
> 400mg. one morning by myself. That works out to
> approximately 5 mg/kg, about half the dose I'd
> originally planned on. The ibogaine (98%pure
> hydrochloride) was obtained from
> ethnogarden (http://www.ethnogarden.com/main.html).
> The first thing I noticed was subtle body
> ramping up to powerful pulses, especially in my
> I've heard that muscles at rest have a rapid rythmic
> pulsing that we are not normally conscious of, and I
> speculate that I may have been sensing that. The
> sensations became more pervasive, like currents of
> energy throughout my body - sort of like ants
> all over me, but I chose not to dwell on that
> comparison. It felt to me as though my subtle
> body (I may be speaking metaphorically here) was
> beoming active, expanding and unfolding. My visual
> field didn't alter much; I kept expecting a visual,
> dreamlike sequence to start but it never quite did.
> However, I noticed that my thoughts were becoming
> quite bizarre, and that's when I realized I was in
> fact tripping fairly hard. It was as though dreams
> were happening in my mind, and I could sense them
> not quite see them - as though they were separated
> from the part of my mind that I was consciously
> identified with by a dark curtain. I've had this
> of feeling before, both under the influence of
> psychedelics and in other altered states, such as in
> the hypnagogic state.
> The dreamlike thought that triggered my awareness
> I was tripping was the following. I "saw" two men
> facing each other on a city street, making eye
> contact. They suddenly jump in unison into a void -
> an infinate black nothingness. Just as suddenly
> are back on the street, still making eye contact, at
> which point they run screaming in opposite
> For two to three hours I was in a very fluid
> space. I would imagine all sorts of things, often
> very personal - e.g. the autopsy of someone I loved
> who died a couple of years ago, followed by my own
> autopsy. My thoughts ranged all over the map, from
> that sort of personal material, to the evolution of
> consciousness, to how politicians distract us from
> important issues with spectacular trivia. At the
> point I was thinking about that, I remembered
> that people will have visions under ibogaine that
> to be about global events, but can more usefully be
> analyzed as a sort of dream, being symbolically
> your own life. (For example, someone might imagine
> horrible impending war, but it could really mirror a
> conflict in their own psyche.) I started asking
> myself if that was true in my case, and thinking
> how I might use these same sort of distraction
> techniques. Around this time I started getting a
> strange fluttering distortion in the upper left
> periphery of my visual field, and began to divert my
> attention to it to see if it would unfold into
> something more revealing. Then I realized that this
> was an excellant example of distracting oneself from
> more important matters. The next day, still
> of this image, I realized that I often use
> intellectual thought as a way of distracting myself
> from a more direct confrontation with my issues.
> I feel I was only scratching the surface of the
> ibogaine state, but I can see the potential of this
> substance as a tool for self-exploration.
> I did not experience nausea per se, but during the
> peak of the trip my head felt strange, and I felt
> somewhat disconnected from my body. I was able to
> to the bathroom when necessary, slowly and with a
> of difficulty. I felt spacey and lethargic for
> a while after I took it, not recovering fully in
> sense for about three days.
> I felt quite capable of dealing with this doseage
> alone (fortunately, since I didn't have a sitter),
> I think at a significantly increased dose a sitter
> would be a really good idea. I plan to take a gram
> so sometime in the next few months if I can get a
> sitter, or if not I'll take 600 mg. next time. I
> definately want to experience ibogaine at a deeper
> level after this initial experience.
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