[ibogaine] stanton peele

crownofthorns at hushmail.com crownofthorns at hushmail.com
Thu Aug 7 20:34:08 EDT 2003

Jessica, I like Stanton Peele because I think it's very important that
there are articulate people who show different approaches then all the
12 step junk. But that is the only reason I like him. After reading his
books what I myself get out of it is that I do not think he has ever
been addicted to anything which makes the rest of what he writes maybe
not the most valid information. 

Don't get me wrong I don't think having once been addicted is the most
important thing ever, but it does help. Jack Trimpey from Rational Recovery
gives me the same sense as Peele. Someone who is full of themselves and
their main interest is tooting their own horn and selling their self
help books and tapes. Trimpey was a addict.

SMART is not like that. I think it's a better approach for people who
need group support but don't want the self defeating 12 step junk.

I like Patrick's writing too because I relate to so much of it. The main
reason I like the addiction articles is because he doesn't pretend to
offer the right answer to everything, available from him for only $199.95
for 6 audiotapes and a $50 book. He even included a positive 12 step
piece with Dave Hunter in the middle of it because he said he couldn't
write anything positive about the steps but agreed they helped some people
so he got someone else to do it. That is worth a lot of respect.

I've seen nearly nothing of his book except two chapters which I very
much enjoyed. Unless I'm totally offbase he's not writing anything about
recovery or what could be considered self help from drugs. He's writing
Naked Lunch on Acid 2003 ;-) And doing a amazing job of it. Right on
bro! I don't remember who first used that quote last year but saying
Patrick is what would happen if someone pushed William Burroughs into
a pool filled with LSD is exactly it :-) Right on bro, right on. Write
the truth and dump ibogaine right into the mainstream :-)

Please don't get me wrong, I think the 12 steps are a completely self
promoting scam who's main interest is making money for those involved
with selling treatment. I went through treatment so many times it makes
me sick to think how much it cost. I was working in dot com then, I had
insurance, I was not getting help at the homeless shelter I went through
Betty Ford 3 times. I never got better until I got away from all of those

All I mean to say is I don't think Stanton Peele is any better. Stanton
Peele is interested in promoting Stanton Peele.

Peace out,

On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:47:04 -0700 "jessica_w at ziplip.com" <jessica_w at ziplip.com>
>Hi everyone. I have been reading this list for some months and enjoy
>it a lot. it's a strange combination of weird, angry and very informative
>and positive. Kudos. 
>I wanted to say that I very much enjoyed the addiction series on
>heroin times. I've read a lot of your writing but I think this was
>the best series you did so far, you get your point across and say
>what is the experience of so many others including me! I never got
>better until I got away from the 12 steps and treatment. I haven't
>done ibogaine but I have 2 years clean now after being addicted to
>crack for over 5.
>I found the Stanton Peele website from the links on Mindvox, I didn't
>know what it led to I clicked the 'NA Kills' banner. Nice art! And
>then after reading through his web site found it was also full of
>information that I very much agreed with. 
>I would recommend anyone who is in recovery or has done ibogaine
>at least reads through the Stanton Peele site and finds out what
>other options exist.
>I would also very much recommend the book: Diseasing of America:
>How We Allowed Recovery Zealots and the Treatment Industry to Convince
>Us We Are Out of Control
>I havent' read all of Peele's books yet, but this one is great.
>Reprinted at the bottom of my msg are some of the reviews. 
>Patrick your writing is awesome, you need to finish a book there
>are so many of us who have experiences like yours and never got better
>until we got away from the 'treatment pimps' as you call them!
>reviews of the Stanton Peele book
>Argues that the disease model of chemical and alcohol addiction
>has no basis in scientific fact and has spawned a recovery movement
>that is grossly ineffective. Social psychologist Peele explains how
>the recovery industry grew and recommends alternatives to the medicalization
>of addiction. 
>A Controversial Argument Against the Disease Theory of Addiction
>Diseasing of America is a powerful and controversial rebuttal to
>the "addiction as disease model" that many vested interests-including
>doctors, counselors, psychologists, treatment centers, and twelve-
>step programs that specialize in addiction treatment-don't want you
>to read.
>Some of the comments on Amazon.com are also great but much too long
>to reprint here. 
>Thanks all!

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