[ibogaine] ibogaine q's
AndriaEM at drugscope.org.uk
Mon Jun 24 13:29:29 EDT 2002
As I was preparing to take it some time ago, I learned that essentially what
Iboga does is reset your serotonin levels; that is, I assume, to a higher
level than before the treatment, in order for you to cope better after; -u
know more feel good chemicals swimming around the bloodstream.
I am not a pharmacologist; even if I was, I'm not sure that I'd go into the
chemical detail on this list; for most of us on th9is list, I think the
thinkg to know is that it does work, it's got its drawbacks, (possibly
fewer) than most other 'addiction' treatments and that you may get deeply
reflective for a while, and even see some lovely colours (for a short while)
duriong the experience.
Are you thinking about using Iboga to detox someone?
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From: Michael Synergy [mailto:synergy9_11 at yahoo.com]
Sent: 23 June 2002 10:53
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] ibogaine q's
I enjoy reading this list if for not other reason then it's much less
depressing then any other addiction oriented list I've ever read before.
I also do my best to look up answers to questions I may have and try not to
post every thought that crosses my mind here without first doing some
The following questions which I hope someone can answer are not explained in
any way that I can either find or understand on any of the ibogaine sites.
Not org, net, co.uk and if there is some other source of ibogaine info I am
missing please tell me, because those three are about it each in their own
Someone mentioned that doing MDMA after ibogaine was a dangerous idea. Why
is that? And how soon after is after. A week a month, 6 months?
The much larger question I have I don't think has an answer. That question
is based in part on reading the entheogen review article which was reprinted
Do any of you know how ibogaine really works? Does anyone? Because the
impression I'm getting from reading all the material I could find on those
three sites as well as doing a search through Patrick's writing for Heroin
Times does nothing but bring up theories all of which have been disproved
over time or aren't complete.
It looks like nobody is exactly sure how ibogaine works despite real
scientists working with it for a decade or more now.
I know that this could be applied to most hallucinogens and yes I know
ibogaine isn't technically a hallucinogenic drug.
The key difference looks to be that whatever any hallucinogenic drug might
do to your perceptions, it will not get rid of your addictions. Ibogaine
gets rid of all of them all at once. That's a little spooky. What sounds
even more spooky is that review saying that ibogaine re writes genetic
expression. Re writes it to what? What exactly is it doing to the brain to
re arrange everything in one dose?
It would worry me more if it wasn't for the fact that most of you who have
done it look like you're not in wheelchairs or walking around with brain
damage and whatever might be said about using the term 'crazy' saying
different or not normal is a better description.
Is there a reasonable expection that somebody is going to figure it out in
the next 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? Because as far as I know, even now
they still haven't done so with LSD.
This is a exact quote from Patrick and I understand it's a joke but it
doesn't look like it's that funny or far from truth.
'Seems like a good theory, theories are important. Like fer instance without
theories you couldn't hold Ibogaine conferences and go up on stage and point
at little charts and graphs, and write monographs and things. Saying, "it
seems to interact with 90% of the brain, for the most part we dunno what the
fuck it does, but these guys in the Gabon have been making tea outta this
stuff for hundreds of years and it doesn't seem ta kill most of 'em, a lot
of the time. So just eat the shit, and then somethin' simply magical
happens," doesn't sound quite as impressive.'
I'm not writing this letter to make chit chat, I'm trying to sort out if it
might not be a safer idea to dose with the ibogaine extract from indra over
a period of time instead of taking one large dose of hcl all at once. I know
a lot of you are very blase about this, but I'm not in the same place. If I
saw half of what Patrick and Dave in particular talk about and act
comfortable with I would be more then ready for a mental hospital. Ibogaine
aside Patrick is or was dosing LSD at 5 and 10 mg levels which I can't find
at the moment but did read somewhere on this list I think. 5 or 10 mg is 50
to 100 times the normal dose level.
What I'm getting at is a lot of you are in a different place mentally, where
you accept all this and even enjoy being in different realities. I think you
crossed the boundary from solving your drug problems to religious experience
and kept on going.
I do not want to do that. At least not yet. I only want to detox. From all I
have read and I have done my best to understand the material online, none of
you really know how or why ibogaine works. Most of you accept all these
different realities as fact. Most of you are not troubled by the fact that
ibogaine can kill you and I have to think that if Dr. Mash is so set on
hooking people up to heart monitors and equipment and what else I don't
know, it's because she either knows something or has seen something which
scared her a lot, or she wouldn't be doing all that.
I don't want to kill myself or see lights and eyes. I only want to detox.
Is there any reason past personal preference that I would have better
results from hcl instead of indra extract?
Thank you for reading this far to those who have.
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