health care for all or military killing machines...hmmm

preston peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Sun Jul 28 08:55:19 EDT 2002


>As somebody who works for a living and has had their share of drug problems I don't have any interest in paying for some crackwhore's kids being taken care of when she keeps having them. I resent that. If you want to have kids and ruin their lives and don't have enough common sense to know your a mess that's your business and I feel sorry for the kids but it shouldn't be my tax dollars paying for all that. <

This is brilliant (stupidity), and as a former hard core drug abuser and works very hard for a living, I'm very glad you posted this opinion here.
Out of curiosity, do you like, (or not resent), your tax dollars going to build nifty neato military killing machines? How about bombs dropped on innocent Afghans? Do support the outrageous military spending by the US, and the outrageous amounts already being spent to lock up the druggies in the name of a War on Drugs? If you are, but aren't willing to help pay for health costs of drug addicts and other fellow Americans, I am stumped at this attitude.
    Where does the attitude come from that "we don't want to pay for druggies' health costs" when that is already EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW by locking them all up, THEN paying their health costs. Why add that imprisonment cost to the total? Why is it better to pay taxes for killing people and imprisoning them, (and propping up foreign corrupt government growing drugs), but not for helping American citizens, real honest to goodness people, even druggies who "don't have enough common sense to know" they're a mess to use your phrase.
    This simply strikes me as blindly following along behind prohibition hatered, ignorance, and dogma. Those Dirty Druggies (of whom you were one once apparently) don't deserve my help....but by god we need a STRONG MILITARY so we can go in and prop up some more drug producing tin-pot didctators around the world so they can produce tons of drugs so the DEA can ship them across our borders by the TON in so-called "controlled" shippments they themselves cannot account for tons of RIGHT NOW!
    Of course, I could be wrong and this might not be your position at all, as you haven't actually mentioned the military spending, or for that matter, the incredibley shoddy accounting the government actually does to keep track of your, and my, taxes.
    But I hear and read this king of thinking all the time in the US, and it drives me CRAZY! Who are these heartless people who are silent about the trillions spent by our military for NOTHING but killing, death, and propping up drug producing cartels, (KLA, Northern Alliance, Vladamir Montesinos to name but a few usual US-allies), but can't find it in their hearts to pay taxes towards a universal health care system, as that would be SOCIALISM. 
    BAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    God, I'm actually a bit pissed off at this post. I can't stand this attitude. Where does this come from? When did people become so dumbed down and willing to pay for death, but not life?
Peace,
Preston


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  I see no problem with this at all. It's not as if these future moms are being herded into the sterilization pens.

  As somebody who works for a living and has had their share of drug problems I don't have any interest in paying for some crackwhore's kids being taken care of when she keeps having them. I resent that. If you want to have kids and ruin their lives and don't have enough common sense to know your a mess that's your business and I feel sorry for the kids but it shouldn't be my tax dollars paying for all that. 

  Sorry but that's reality. In case none of you read anything except drug lists there is this over population problem with the world, there is no shortage of babies. None at all.

  >> Who gets to decide who is worthy and who is not?
  >
  >The person getting sterilized, seems very reasonable
  >to me. And for the money that they are likely to use
  >for drugs, well that goes for the welfare check,
  >pay-check or any other check they get their hands on.
  >This is not forced sterilization, it is $200 (rebate)
  >should someone choose to get sterilized OR (and you
  >seemed to focus on the sterilization part) long term
  >birth control.
  >
  >> When does simple drug use become reason enough to
  >> sterilize mothers? 
  >
  >I don't see anyone being forced to do any such thing,
  >no suggestion or hint of such - though really, I
  >personally think there are cases where a person should
  >be forcibly sterilized, at any age (eg, sorry MS 17
  >year old but you had a child at 12, another at 14,
  >another at 15, another at 17, you are unmarried, had
  >all 4 children taken away because of abuse and your
  >drug addiction and you are pregnant again...). But
  >that is my "opinion" but maybe I am looking at it like
  >MOM made her decisions about her life and shouldn't be
  >allowed (at some point) to have her children suffer
  >for her disease. Sorry but I just don't see a problem
  >with someone taking the choice to be sterilized or use
  >specific birth control methods as some violation of
  >morality.
  >
  >
  >Brett


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