[ibogaine] Ibogaine Signals Addiction Genes

preston peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Fri Jul 12 19:54:46 EDT 2002

AND, one of the very, very first things I learned in the very first 28 day programs I ever found myself in was to "personalize" stuff, instead of putting everything into terms like, "you know, when you are going to the park, and you step in dogshit, how shitty that makes you feel? Don't you hate that?" That sort of speaking doesn't really cover it. Personalizing it though, brings it right home to both myself and those I'm speaking?writing to/for. "I hate when I'm going to the park and step in dogshit. I choose to get shitty feelings over it." Sooo, when writing about certain stuff, in my own case, I too tend to keep things as personal as possible, just because I'm the only one I know really, and am only making uneducated guesses on the rest of humanity. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: preston peet 
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 6:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Ibogaine Signals Addiction Genes

  >I've been reading this list nearly since it started, Patrick never says 
  | anything about anything except himself personally. <

  "The man who writes about himself is the only man who writes about all people and about all time." George Bernard Shaw.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Patrick K. Kroupa 
    To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
    Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:00 PM
    Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Ibogaine Signals Addiction Genes

    On [Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 06:11:20PM +0000], [eric seitz] wrote:

    | That's not Patrick on psychoatives, that's Patrick on Patrick. 'and then I 
    | ran up and down the hallways yelling and throwing things and then I got a 
    | brain and cut it all up and then I got the networking working after the 
    | campus fell down and then I went to the playground and it was great and 
    | then I wrote 3 articles and then I met this really hot girl and I'm going 
    | out! and then I read a book on philosophy and then I did another brain and 
    | I want to start a band!' is patrick. Patrick on psychoactives finally shuts 
    | up and calms down. If he is ever quiet and gentle, then he's tripped a few 
    | days before.

    Thank you for summarizing me.  Since you do not know me, and have met me
    perhaps once or twice -- okay it could be three times -- you are basing
    your information upon someone else's characterization of me; prolly
    Deborah, on whatever day(s) you were present when she talked sumplace, and
    had Patrick stories to Share!

    That's just super-fine and speshul, so thanks.

    | I've been reading this list nearly since it started, Patrick never says 
    | anything about anything except himself personally. If he did then he 
    | wouldn't be with Dr. Mash for 3 years which I believe is almost a world 
    | record. He sees her every day, he works with this, he hangs out with her 
    | outside the job.

    Yeah, and, so what...?  As I may have mentioned once or fifty times, it is
    not MY science, MY data, or MY research.  Before being allowed to breath
    the air in *Secure* and *Confidential* environments, I signed so many
    nondisclosures my wrist hurt for a week.

    If you have any questions regarding what Deborah is doing, then send her
    some email or call her up.  She's not hard to find, and I'm sure she'll be
    thrilled to chat with you and share.

    | My own conclusion is that maybe what that young lady said is not so far 
    | wrong and the results of just how far ibogaine does go in making changes 
    | will scare the shit out of people, not calm them down.

    This may or may not be true.  The TRUTH! has been known to produce mass
    hysteria before.  Then again, maybe it won't.  These are interesting times
    to be alive; either alla that or the end of days, either one.

    NONE of this alters the fact that ibogaine DOES WORK.  <shrug>  Whether or
    not a molecule is legal, does not appear to change its efficacy.

    | I guess we will all find out sooner or later.

    As a minor aside, I posit that, the question of "How duz it
    werk!?@#?!?!?!?21!!" will not be answered by chatting on a list.  While
    the answers may come in dreams and visions, the results mostly come from a
    whole fuckova lot of lab work, experiments, and expensive equipment.

    SOME people who are actually doing this research -- other than Deborah --
    are signed up to this very list (along with a slew of MD's, but we won't
    even mention them).  As I may have mentioned before, being curious whether
    or not they're actually reading it, I have on occasion accidentally --
    whoopsie! -- signed some of them off it, to see if they read it, or just
    toss it into some folder.  Without exception every one of them has signed
    themselves right back on it, within 48 - 72 hours tops.  If they wanted to
    share, well gosh, they sure could do so too.

    Just saying,

    But yes, very interesting abstract.  The floor is Wide Open for comments.


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