[ibogaine] cocaine computer operations

preston peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Wed Jul 10 08:41:11 EDT 2002


LOL, no, it came to my attention last night Andria, that it is not Carla, (well, she could be too I suppose) who is quite this young, it is Vector. I think. See the "mother love bone" (ibogaine?) post of last night.
Peace,
Preston
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andria Efthimiou-Mordaunt 
  To: 'ibogaine at mindvox.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:21 AM
  Subject: RE: [ibogaine] cocaine computer operations


  Carla

  Are you really 18 yrs old? Just curious. I thought u were lot older!

  Andria E-Mordaunt 
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Carla Barnes [mailto:carlambarnes at yahoo.com]
  Sent: 10 July 2002 06:03
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
  Subject: Re: [ibogaine] cocaine computer operations



  All of you are crazy, how do I get off this list? ;-)

  Thanks, at least once a week usually more often when I
  check my mailbox and read this list, I laugh my ass
  off. 

  I love all of you :-)

  Patrick here is some free psychiatric advice, or let
  me put up a sign with '.5 cents please' written over
  it since I'm sure it will be a big revalation to you
  :-) Your problem is not being half the DSM plus one or
  minus one, you're problem is there are at least 5
  people inside you having a power struggle. At least
  two of them are amazingly good people, one is a
  comedian, I'm not sure I've figured out who the fourth
  one is, the fifth one walked off the set of a Mad Max
  movie :-) 

  Good night! Great day, Howard posts Rolling Stones
  lyrics I think that's a first :-)

  Carla B


  --- "Patrick K. Kroupa" <digital at mindvox.com> wrote:
  > On [Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 10:34:27PM -0400],
  > [HSLotsof at aol.com] wrote:
  > 
  > | It's all in jest Preston.  But, with the cocaine
  > cartels having their IT 
  > | specialists, if the mini sub carrying a massive
  > shipment of ibogaine did 
  > | evade the dea could mindvox be far behind.  It
  > seems I have to blame someone 
  > | and Patrick is well, just there!
  > 
  > Look, it wasn't me.  I wasn't even on planet earth
  > at the time.  Do you
  > have any PROOF...?  ...is it good?  ...do you accept
  > bribes?
  > 
  > | To a great extent profit potential and ibogaine
  > have missed each other all 
  > | over the map.  But, there is still the romance,
  > the adventure and the good 
  > | that comes out of it.  How do those Stone's lyrics
  > go?  You can't always get 
  > | what you want but, sometimes if you try real
  > hard...you can get what you 
  > | need.  Now what would that be?
  > 
  > Would all of you crazy people please stop!  This is
  > a *serious* list that
  > deals with drug addiction, misery, strife, blood,
  > sweat, tears, pain,
  > suicide, genocide, plus, also, depression.  There is
  > entirely too much
  > levity here.  Humor is a clear violation of the USA
  > Patriot Act!  
  > 
  > oh hey, p.s., Libertarian News!!!  And yes, we are
  > starting the drugwar
  > list, and will move all of this sideways tomorrow.
  > 
  > Patrick
  > > THE LIBERATOR ONLINE
  > 
  >    July 9, 2002
  >    Vol. 7, No. 12
  >    Circulation: 50,130 in 100 countries
  > 
  >    Published by the Advocates for Self-Government.
  >    Created and edited by Paul Schmidt,
  > mailto:paul at self-gov.org
  >    Co-edited by James W. Harris,
  > mailto:james at self-gov.org
  >   
  >
  ____________________________________________________________________
  > 
  >    by James W. Harris
  > 
  > Major U.S. Religious Body Calls for End to Drug War
  > 
  >    The General Assembly of the Unitarian
  > Universalists Association
  >    (UUA) -- representing more than 1,000
  > congregations throughout the
  >    United States -- has passed a Statement of
  > Conscience calling for
  >    "Alternatives to the War on Drugs."
  > 
  >    The UUA declared "We do not believe that drug use
  > should be
  >    considered criminal behavior." They further
  > declared that "the
  >    consequences of the current drug war are cruel
  > and
  >    counterproductive," and called for "alternatives
  > that regard the
  >    reduction of harm as the appropriate standard by
  > which to assess
  >    drug policies."
  > 
  >     The declaration is the strongest anti-Drug War
  > statement thus far
  >    by any major U.S. religious denomination. And the
  > Unitarian
  >    Universalists say they plan to encourage other
  > people of faith to
  >    adopt similar views.
  > 
  >    "As Unitarian Universalists, we are called by our
  > religious values
  >    to speak out against misguided policies," said
  > the Rev. William
  >    Sinkford, president of the Unitarian Universalist
  > Association. "The
  >    so-called 'War on Drugs' is creating violence,
  > endangering children,
  >    clogging the criminal justice system, eroding
  > civil liberties, and
  >    disproportionately punishing people of color.
  > It's time for a
  >    cease-fire."
  > 
  >    If adapted, the UUA's proposals would be a major
  > step toward ending
  >    the War on Drugs. Key points of the UUA's
  > statement include:
  > 
  >    * "Establish a legal, regulated, and taxed market
  > for marijuana.
  >    Treat marijuana as we treat alcohol."
  > 
  >    * "Remove criminal penalties for possession and
  > use of currently
  >    illegal drugs, with drug abusers subject to
  > arrest and imprisonment
  >    only if they commit an actual crime (e.g.,
  > assault, burglary,
  >    impaired driving, vandalism)."
  > 
  >    * "Drug use, drug abuse, and drug addiction are
  > distinct from one
  >    another. Using a drug does not necessarily mean
  > abusing the drug,
  >    much less addiction to it. Drug abuse issues are
  > essentially matters
  >    for medical attention. We do not believe that
  > drug use should be
  >    considered criminal behavior."
  > 
  >    * "Make all drugs legally available with a
  > prescription by a
  >    licensed physician, subject to professional
  > oversight. End the
  >    practice of punishing an individual for
  > obtaining, possessing, or
  >    using an otherwise illegal substance to treat a
  > medical condition,"
  >    and allow "medically administered drug
  > maintenance" as a treatment
  >    option for drug addiction.
  > 
  >    "We are hopeful that this powerful Statement will
  > pave the way for
  >    other denominations to join the movement for more
  > just and
  >    compassionate drug policies," said Charles
  > Thomas, executive
  >    director of Unitarian Universalists for Drug
  > Policy Reform, the
  >    denomination affiliate that facilitated the study
  > and development of
  >    the Statement of Conscience.
  > 
  >    The text of the full UUA Statement of Conscience
  > on the Drug War is
  >    at www.uudpr.org .
  > 
  >    (Source: UUA press release:
  >   
  > http://www.uua.org/news/2002/020627_drugreform.html
  > )
  > 
  >    * * *
  > 
  > FBI Is Watching What You Read
  > 
  >    Be careful what books you check out at the
  > library, or purchase from
  >    bookstores.
  > 
  >    The FBI may be watching.
  > 
  >    Under sweeping new anti-terrorist laws, the FBI
  > is currently
  >    visiting public libraries and secretly tracking
  > the reading habits
  >    of people it allegedly considers potentially
  > dangerous.
  > 
  >    The draconian post-Sept. 11 USA Patriot Act
  > anti-terrorist bill
  >    gives the FBI authority to obtain library and
  > bookstore records --
  >    and many other documents --  in the course of
  > broadly-defined
  >    terrorist-related investigations. In practice,
  > the FBI now has the
  >    legal power to check on millions of people -- and
  > maybe just about
  >    anyone.
  > 
  >    The creepy procedure is shrouded in secrecy. In
  > order to survey
  >    someone's reading habits, the FBI must get a
  > search warrant. But
  >    it's not your Founding Fathers' search warrant --
  > the FBI doesn't
  >    have to show that any evidence of criminal
  > activity is likely to be
  >    found or that the individual being investigated
  > is involved in
  >    terrorism or spying.
  > 
  >    Furthermore, as a San Francisco Chronicle article
  > has noted, "The
  >    court that authorizes the searches meets in
  > secret; the search
  >    warrants carried by the agents cannot mention the
  > underlying
  >    investigation; and librarians and booksellers can
  > be prosecuted for
  >    revealing an FBI visit to anyone, including the
  > patron whose records
  >    were seized. Nearly everything about the
  > procedure is secret.
  > 
  >    "The only limitation in the law is that the
  > investigation can't be
  >    entirely based -- though it can be partly based
  > -- on activities
  >    protected by the First Amendment, such as speech
  > or political
  >    organizing. For example, campus radicals, the
  > subject of FBI
  >    surveillance in the past, could be targeted if
  > the government
  >    alleged they had a connection to terrorism or
  > espionage."
  > 
  >    And a lot of libraries are apparently being
  > watched. A University of
  >    Illinois survey in early 2002 found that  8.3
  > percent of libraries
  >    surveyed had been asked by federal or local law
  > enforcement officers
  >    for information about patrons, allegedly related
  > to Sept. 11.
  > 
  >    The American Library Association, appalled by the
  > law but knowing
  >    librarians are subject to prosecution if they
  > refuse to cooperate,
  >    is suggesting that librarians "avoid creating
  > unnecessary 
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