[ibogaine] war on drugs

Andria Efthimiou-Mordaunt AndriaEM at drugscope.org.uk
Tue Jul 9 10:53:09 EDT 2002


 
 

Andria E-Mordaunt 
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-----Original Message-----
From: preston peet [mailto:ptpeet at nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 July 2002 15:30
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] war on drugs


>There are ways to begin the repeal of prohibition that entail NOT
collapsing the world economies,<
 
See my last post in reply to Carrie Andria. If we as a society do legalize
right now, at this moment, the economies all over the world would quite
literally collapse, no question about it. But if we do it properly, with
care and thought, perhaps we can avoid this. It's one of the major traps
that has been created, whether by accident or design, by the waging of this
War on Some Drugs.
    Andria, as Catherine Austin Fitts (see her section at drugwar.com for
more info on who this is) told me recently in an interview, (which I'm in
the midst of transcribing as I write now), that during recent town hall type
meetings with normal Americans, when she's finished explaining exactly what
is going on with the world-wide drug black markets' she says, "Ok, here's a
red button. You can push it and end the War now. Who will push this button?"
One hand, maybe two went up in a group of a few hundred people, because to
push that button would mean an end to everything as we know it here
financially, and most Americans aren't willing to give up all their 401Ks,
their "security" which is increasingly looking pretty bleak anyway,
so....perhaps we'll see some positive change soon anyway.
    I never said I want to hand power over to a super-power anything, not
even at my most enthusiastic moments in NA, which were pretty far and few
between actually. 
    
I know you didn't honey, I was just venting a fear I think some Europeans
have about how we are going to/intend to end this F drug war...
 
 "Egging PK on" can be...hell, it is amusing, and often harvests some real
gems in reply. 

What can I say, boys will be boys and somehow we do just manage to love you
mucho madly, regardless of the fact that this is so!!
 
BTW, did you receive my potty e-mail from an internat cafe 3 days ago? I'm
still trying to decide which one of your wonderful pieces of your work to
use. 
In a few short hrs, my layout man will get back to me about any space we
have left with UV17, and then I will make that decision. Preston, I've
actually a good mind to simply introduce u by profiling your work to the U.K
crew, so they know about what you are doing, and hopefully find a photo on
your site that doesn't black you out
F this, I'm gonna find the no u sent and call you; hope you're in!
Peace,
Preston
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andria Efthimiou-Mordaunt <mailto:AndriaEM at drugscope.org.uk>  
To: 'ibogaine at mindvox.com' <mailto:'ibogaine at mindvox.com'>  
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] war on drugs

Preston, I'm surprised at you egging PK on
 
 
 
AND
 
There are ways to begin the repeal of prohibition that entail NOT collapsing
the world economies, and all yours two other images of Armeggedon
 
For example, each nation state, country SHOULD DECIDE for themselves how
best to organise it, instead of having some super-power or other telling
them how to do it (or not.)
 
XOX
 

Andria E-Mordaunt 
Users Voice ed./John Mordaunt Trust 

MON & WEDS - C/O Drugscope,  32 Loman St, London, SE1 OEE, U.K 
0+ 44 (0)207 928 1211 Tel 
0+ 44 (0)207 922 8780  Fax 

andriaem at drugscope.org.uk 
or Usersvoice.jmt at drugscope.org.uk <mailto:Usersvoice.jmt at drugscope.org.uk> 

-----Original Message-----
From: preston peet [mailto:ptpeet at nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 08 July 2002 21:13
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] war on drugs


Patrick wrote in his ever lucid and level headed way
-This is Absolutely Correct because it has been CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN
<Pounding Podium> That hookers *do not* kill drugs with guns!  <Wiping
spittle from mouth>  Thank You, God Bless, Have a Great Night!-
 
Hold on a cotton picking second here. What's with the spittle?;-)
 
Patrick also wrote, again quite unambiguously
>There ain't one.  There is a "war on drugs," because if prohibition were
repealed, that world economy thing would collapse and go down the toilet,
entire third world nations would topple, there would be chaos, disasters,
swarms of locusts, anarchy!  Fuck yeah mahn! <
 
 which pretty much sums up why things got no better under Clinton, and for
that matter, only got way, way, way worse as a matter of fact while we were
all "under" Clinton getting screwed.
 
And finally Patrick summed his note up thusly
>It *is* all the same shit, new day.  The only party with the courage to
Stand Up and Speak the TRUTH are the Libertarians!
Repeal ALL LAWS! 
We need to go back to a fully Feudal System of warring city states.
Uhm, nevermind, just clearing my head.<
 
I hadn't realized the libertarians wanted all laws repealed and liked the
idea of warring feudal city states. That does give them a kind of edge I
wasn't aware of.
There's a new videogame coming out that I'm supposed to be getting a copy of
that will allow me to send vast armies across Europe and the MIddle East
during the crusades, which weren't quite the "warring city states"
situation, but almost. I usually don't enjoy those games where I have to
spend hours doing anything other than blowing bits of body parts off of
online opponents, (yeah, I know, where'd the violent streak come from? I
simply think it healthy and old fashioned fun to play "guns", probably
stemming from my
American-watching-Westerns-playing-steal-the-flag-in-the-woods-having-bbgun-
wars-around-the-neighborhood as a kid kind of thing. I'm a firm believer in
total peace, but gosh darn it, those bloody cyber games have kept me from
going out and banging up more than once), but I'm looking forward to this
complicated one from Activision.
    Sorry, WAY off topic of ibogaine.
Peace,
Preston



Peace,
Preston


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Patrick  <mailto:digital at mindvox.com> K. Kroupa 
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com <mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com>  
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] war on drugs

On [Sun, Jul 07, 2002 at 10:57:51PM -0700], [Carrie Rollins] wrote:

| But I do want to understand the simple thing of what's
| the diff between the republicans, democrats, all these
| people as far as ibogaine is concerned? 

Not much; drug addiction ain't that interesting to those who are not
addicted to drugs.

| Did any of this get any better when Clinton was in the
| white house? I wasnt there or anything but it doesnt
| look like Bush has made any change at all. The
| libertarians I dont know what they want, thank you
| Vector :-) nothing with ibogaine in particular i dont
| think, they want to repeal all drug laws and most
| other laws from what I understand.

And when I am elected Supreme Ruler of Nevada, I will repeal ALL LAWS!  No
more lies and half-truths, "I keeled him ded, 'cuz like, I was in a bad
mood that day n' shit, choo got a problem wid dat meng?" 

This is Absolutely Correct because it has been CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN
<Pounding Podium> That hookers *do not* kill drugs with guns!  <Wiping
spittle from mouth>  Thank You, God Bless, Have a Great Night!

| So my original question and i'm sorry I keep asking it
| but nobody has answered it, is what difference does it
| make for ibogaine? none of these people act like it's
| a priority to them, not republican, not democrat, not
| anybody. What's anybody besides the people on this
| list doing? 

Not much, welcome to Reality (revision level: 2002).

| Nothing at all that I can see, the only marijuana
| people promoting is you Dana, I don't see ibogaine

This is because Dana UNDERSTANDS.

| I still will vote democrat because I'm not a rich
| person who made a lot of money or inhereted it, but
| dems, reps, same deal same shit same thing, I don't
| see any difference as far as ibogaine or the war on
| drugs is concerned.

There ain't one.  There is a "war on drugs," because if prohibition were
repealed, that world economy thing would collapse and go down the toilet,
entire third world nations would topple, there would be chaos, disasters,
swarms of locusts, anarchy!  Fuck yeah mahn!  

It *is* all the same shit, new day.  The only party with the courage to
Stand Up and Speak the TRUTH are the Libertarians!

Repeal ALL LAWS! 

We need to go back to a fully Feudal System of warring city states.

Uhm, nevermind, just clearing my head.

Patrick


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