From digital at phantom.com Tue Sep 18 04:23:03 2007 From: digital at phantom.com (Patrick K. Kroupa) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:23:03 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] RelighT Message-ID: <6EDC4B2B-5907-4A91-879A-BF53944FE321@phantom.com> Yoo Hoo, Preston... From notvalid at argotransdata.com Tue Sep 18 04:23:17 2007 From: notvalid at argotransdata.com (notvalid at argotransdata.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DrugWar] (no subject) Message-ID: <20070918082317.D83DEADB52@melnibone.mindvox.com> The email address you sent this message to is not a valid email address. Please check the spelling and try again. From notvalid at argotransdata.com Tue Sep 18 04:23:17 2007 From: notvalid at argotransdata.com (notvalid at argotransdata.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DrugWar] (no subject) Message-ID: <20070918082317.E00E4ADB58@melnibone.mindvox.com> The email address you sent this message to is not a valid email address. 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From Tammera.Halphen at getronics.com Tue Sep 18 08:02:32 2007 From: Tammera.Halphen at getronics.com (Halphen, Tammera) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:02:32 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] RelighT In-Reply-To: <6EDC4B2B-5907-4A91-879A-BF53944FE321@phantom.com> References: <6EDC4B2B-5907-4A91-879A-BF53944FE321@phantom.com> Message-ID: <8CFD171EBAED4A4FBDB0F070E11D20BA071B28E2@excusma100> Why did I get this message and about 12 copies of the attached message and also the one I replied to below? I used to be subscribed at this address but not anymore. -----Original Message----- From: drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Patrick K. Kroupa Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:23 AM To: drugwar at mindvox.com Subject: [DrugWar] RelighT Yoo Hoo, Preston... -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: <]=- <][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][> -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: <]=- -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 11:24:45 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:24:45 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] RelighT In-Reply-To: <8CFD171EBAED4A4FBDB0F070E11D20BA071B28E2@excusma100> References: <6EDC4B2B-5907-4A91-879A-BF53944FE321@phantom.com> <8CFD171EBAED4A4FBDB0F070E11D20BA071B28E2@excusma100> Message-ID: <46EFEDBD.3030509@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello hello hellO ... As of today MindVox has completed a major transition to new servers, software, and significantly increased bandwidth. If you are reading these words and wish to be unsubscribed, click this link immediately: http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar Scroll down to: "To unsubscribe from DrugWar, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options enter your subscription email address:" Add the account you want removed, and you're gone; forever. ... We had to transition everything from the previous mail system / mailing list manager, over to new software. This means the entire subscriber list has been sifted/re-created using scripts. Unfortunately this also means that people who have signed off in the last coupla months, may once again re-exist. Shit happens, try to get over it, click the link: http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar Scroll down, and you're gone forever. ... The ibogaine list is extremely large. It will be re-materializing in 4 waves, of approximately 2,000 people at a time. We have tried to include everyone who has posted in the last year, within the first pass. If the list is not working for someone you know, give it a day or three, then let us know. ... TO UNSUBSCRIBE, change your settings, set yourself for digest mode, and generally PUSH BUTTONS, go to: http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar There are many new options, tagging for the mail lists will be turned on within another day or two / and sync with the web interface that's arriving Any Minute Now. ... Since, past experience has shown, nobody reads anything, no matter how many times the information is contained within the message body; nothing beats sending out 25 hysterical, "UNSUBSCRIBE!#!@#" messages. Well, the software has gotten smarter, it'll actually read your rant, search for key word groups such as, "HELP ME!" "I HATE YOU!" and "UNSUBSCRIBE!" and remove you automagically. Everything should be back to abNormal within a few more days. Sorry, this was a necessary evil; everything had to change in order to bring the new MindVox back online this fall. 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But we have SPECIAL CONVERSATIONS that are SACRED. I HATE YOU, Peace yo! http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ... Yes, but, how do I unsubscribe!??!@#!?!: http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ... TO UNSUBSCRIBE, go here: ... ... and : #10! To remove yourself (permenantly) from the DList, go here: http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar Scroll down to the part that says, "unsubscribe" fill in the web form (no email back and forth needed), you are gone. Have a great life! Seeya! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFG73rt5L/G7WgR2WYRAoajAJ9cPGkW3veni6acvNOsLj/ZWesz8ACgkrVu HkApdyY31uG3dio6cblStzA= =KtrL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -=[) ::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/DrugWar :: [%][) -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- Halphen, Tammera wrote: > Why did I get this message and about 12 copies of the attached message > and also the one I replied to below? I used to be subscribed at this > address but not anymore. > > -----Original Message----- > From: drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com] > On Behalf Of Patrick K. Kroupa > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:23 AM > To: drugwar at mindvox.com > Subject: [DrugWar] RelighT > > Yoo Hoo, Preston... > > > -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: <]=- > <][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][> > -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: <]=- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [DrugWar] (no subject) > From: > > Date: > Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:25:11 -0400 > To: > > > To: > > > > The email address you sent this message to is not a valid email address. Please check the spelling and try again. > > -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: <]=- > <][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][> > -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: <]=- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: <]=- > <][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][> > -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: <]=- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070918/85a34c6f/attachment.htm From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 11:26:41 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:26:41 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] My Way News - Scientists Drug-Test Whole Cities Message-ID: <46EFEE31.6080209@gmail.com> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070821/D8R5L64O0.html From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 11:27:52 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:27:52 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Sept FP Ethan Nadelmann article Message-ID: <46EFEE78.6030005@gmail.com> Think Again: Drugs By Ethan Nadelmann Foreign Policy Magazine September/October 2007 Prohibition has failed-again. Instead of treating the demand for illegal drugs as a market, and addicts as patients, policymakers the world over have boosted the profits of drug lords and fostered narcostates that would frighten Al Capone. Finally, a smarter drug control regime that values reality over rhetoric is rising to replace the "war" on drugs. "The Global War on Drugs Can Be Won" No, it can't. A "drug-free world," which the United Nations describes as a realistic goal, is no more attainable than an "alcohol-free world"-and no one has talked about that with a straight face since the repeal of Prohibition in the United States in 1933. Yet futile rhetoric about winning a "war on drugs" persists, despite mountains of evidence documenting its moral and ideological bankruptcy. When the U.N. General Assembly Special Session on drugs convened in 1998, it committed to "eliminating or significantly reducing the illicit cultivation of the coca bush, the cannabis plant and the opium poppy by the year 2008" and to "achieving significant and measurable results in the field of demand reduction." But today, global production and consumption of those drugs are roughly the same as they were a decade ago; meanwhile, many producers have become more efficient, and cocaine and heroin have become purer and cheaper. It's always dangerous when rhetoric drives policy-and especially so when "war on drugs" rhetoric leads the public to accept collateral casualties that would never be permissible in civilian law enforcement, much less public health. Politicians still talk of eliminating drugs from the Earth as though their use is a plague on humanity. But drug control is not like disease control, for the simple reason that there's no popular demand for smallpox or polio. Cannabis and opium have been grown throughout much of the world for millennia. The same is true for coca in Latin America. Methamphetamine and other synthetic drugs can be produced anywhere. Demand for particular illicit drugs waxes and wanes, depending not just on availability but also fads, fashion, culture, and competition from alternative means of stimulation and distraction. The relative harshness of drug laws and the intensity of enforcement matter surprisingly little, except in totalitarian states. After all, rates of illegal drug use in the United States are the same as, or higher than, Europe, despite America's much more punitive policies. Think Again: Drugs "We Can Reduce the Demand for Drugs" Good luck. Reducing the demand for illegal drugs seems to make sense. But the desire to alter one's state of consciousness, and to use psychoactive drugs to do so, is nearly universal-and mostly not a problem. There's virtually never been a drug-free society, and more drugs are discovered and devised every year. Demand-reduction efforts that rely on honest education and positive alternatives to drug use are helpful, but not when they devolve into unrealistic, "zero tolerance" policies. As with sex, abstinence from drugs is the best way to avoid trouble, but one always needs a fallback strategy for those who can't or won't refrain. "Zero tolerance" policies deter some people, but they also dramatically increase the harms and costs for those who don't resist. Drugs become more potent, drug use becomes more hazardous, and people who use drugs are marginalized in ways that serve no one. The better approach is not demand reduction but "harm reduction." Reducing drug use is fine, but it's not nearly as important as reducing the death, disease, crime, and suffering associated with both drug misuse and failed prohibitionist policies. With respect to legal drugs, such as alcohol and cigarettes, harm reduction means promoting responsible drinking and designated drivers, or persuading people to switch to nicotine patches, chewing gums, and smokeless tobacco. With respect to illegal drugs, it means reducing the transmission of infectious disease through syringe-exchange programs, reducing overdose fatalities by making antidotes readily available, and allowing people addicted to heroin and other illegal opiates to obtain methadone from doctors and even pharmaceutical heroin from clinics. Britain, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland have already embraced this last option. There's no longer any question that these strategies decrease drug-related harms without increasing drug use. What blocks expansion of such programs is not cost; they typically save taxpayers' money that would otherwise go to criminal justice and healthcare. No, the roadblocks are abstinence-only ideologues and a cruel indifference to the lives and well-being of people who use drugs. Think Again: Drugs "Reducing the Supply of Drugs Is the Answer" Not if history is any guide. Reducing supply makes as much sense as reducing demand; after all, if no one were planting cannabis, coca, and opium, there wouldn't be any heroin, cocaine, or marijuana to sell or consume. But the carrot and stick of crop eradication and substitution have been tried and failed, with rare exceptions, for half a century. These methods may succeed in targeted locales, but they usually simply shift production from one region to another: Opium production moves from Pakistan to Afghanistan; coca from Peru to Colombia; and cannabis from Mexico to the United States, while overall global production remains relatively constant or even increases. The carrot, in the form of economic development and assistance in switching to legal crops, is typically both late and inadequate. The stick, often in the form of forced eradication, including aerial spraying, wipes out illegal and legal crops alike and can be hazardous to both people and local environments. The best thing to be said for emphasizing supply reduction is that it provides a rationale for wealthier nations to spend a little money on economic development in poorer countries. But, for the most part, crop eradication and substitution wreak havoc among impoverished farmers without diminishing overall global supply. The global markets in cannabis, coca, and opium products operate essentially the same way that other global commodity markets do: If one source is compromised due to bad weather, rising production costs, or political difficulties, another emerges. If international drug control circles wanted to think strategically, the key question would no longer be how to reduce global supply, but rather: Where does illicit production cause the fewest problems (and the greatest benefits)? Think of it as a global vice control challenge. No one expects to eradicate vice, but it must be effectively zoned and regulated-even if it's illegal. Think Again: Drugs "U.S. Drug Policy Is the World's Drug Policy" Sad, but true. Looking to the United States as a role model for drug control is like looking to apartheid-era South Africa for how to deal with race. The United States ranks first in the world in per capita incarceration--with less than 5 percent of the world's population, but almost 25 percent of the world's prisoners. The number of people locked up for U.S. drug-law violations has increased from roughly 50,000 in 1980 to almost 500,000 today; that's more than the number of people Western Europe locks up for everything. Even more deadly is U.S. resistance to syringe-exchange programs to reduce HIV/AIDS both at home and abroad. Who knows how many people might not have contracted HIV if the United States had implemented at home, and supported abroad, the sorts of syringe-exchange and other harm-reduction programs that have kept HIV/AIDS rates so low in Australia, Britain, the Netherlands, and elsewhere. Perhaps millions. And yet, despite this dismal record, the United States has succeeded in constructing an international drug prohibition regime modeled after its own highly punitive and moralistic approach. It has dominated the drug control agencies of the United Nations and other international organizations, and its federal drug enforcement agency was the first national police organization to go global. Rarely has one nation so successfully promoted its own failed policies to the rest of the world. But now, for the first time, U.S. hegemony in drug control is being challenged. The European Union is demanding rigorous assessment of drug control strategies. Exhausted by decades of service to the U.S.-led war on drugs, Latin Americans are far less inclined to collaborate closely with U.S. drug enforcement efforts. Finally waking up to the deadly threat of HIV/AIDS, China, Indonesia, Vietnam, and even Malaysia and Iran are increasingly accepting of syringe-exchange and other harm-reduction programs. In 2005, the ayatollah in charge of Iran's Ministry of Justice issued a fatwa declaring methadone maintenance and syringe-exchange programs compatible with sharia (Islamic) law. One only wishes his American counterpart were comparably enlightened. Think Again: Drugs "Afghan Opium Production Must Be Curbed" Be careful what you wish for. It's easy to believe that eliminating record-high opium production in Afghanistan-which today accounts for roughly 90 percent of global supply, up from 50 percent 10 years ago-would solve everything from heroin abuse in Europe and Asia to the resurgence of the Taliban. But assume for a moment that the United States, NATO, and Hamid Karzai's government were somehow able to cut opium production in Afghanistan. Who would benefit? Only the Taliban, warlords, and other black-market entrepreneurs whose stockpiles of opium would skyrocket in value. Hundreds of thousands of Afghan peasants would flock to cities, ill-prepared to find work. And many Afghans would return to their farms the following year to plant another illegal harvest, utilizing guerrilla farming methods to escape intensified eradication efforts. Except now, they'd soon be competing with poor farmers elsewhere in Central Asia, Latin America, or even Africa. This is, after all, a global commodities market. And outside Afghanistan? Higher heroin prices typically translate into higher crime rates by addicts. They also invite cheaper but more dangerous means of consumption, such as switching from smoking to injecting heroin, which results in higher HIV and hepatitis C rates. All things considered, wiping out opium in Afghanistan would yield far fewer benefits than is commonly assumed. So what's the solution? Some recommend buying up all the opium in Afghanistan, which would cost a lot less than is now being spent trying to eradicate it. But, given that farmers somewhere will produce opium so long as the demand for heroin persists, maybe the world is better off, all things considered, with 90 percent of it coming from just one country. And if that heresy becomes the new gospel, it opens up all sorts of possibilities for pursuing a new policy in Afghanistan that reconciles the interests of the United States, NATO, and millions of Afghan citizens. Think Again: Drugs "Legalization Is the Best Approach" It might be. Global drug prohibition is clearly a costly disaster. The United Nations has estimated the value of the global market in illicit drugs at $400 billion, or 6 percent of global trade. The extraordinary profits available to those willing to assume the risks enrich criminals, terrorists, violent political insurgents, and corrupt politicians and governments. Many cities, states, and even countries in Latin America, the Caribbean, and Asia are reminiscent of Chicago under Al Capone-times 50. By bringing the market for drugs out into the open, legalization would radically change all that for the better. More importantly, legalization would strip addiction down to what it really is: a health issue. Most people who use drugs are like the responsible alcohol consumer, causing no harm to themselves or anyone else. They would no longer be the state's business. But legalization would also benefit those who struggle with drugs by reducing the risks of overdose and disease associated with unregulated products, eliminating the need to obtain drugs from dangerous criminal markets, and allowing addiction problems to be treated as medical rather than criminal problems. No one knows how much governments spend collectively on failing drug war policies, but it's probably at least $100 billion a year, with federal, state, and local governments in the United States accounting for almost half the total. Add to that the tens of billions of dollars to be gained annually in tax revenues from the sale of legalized drugs. Now imagine if just a third of that total were committed to reducing drug-related disease and addiction. Virtually everyone, except those who profit or gain politically from the current system, would benefit. Some say legalization is immoral. That's nonsense, unless one believes there is some principled basis for discriminating against people based solely on what they put into their bodies, absent harm to others. Others say legalization would open the floodgates to huge increases in drug abuse. They forget that we already live in a world in which psychoactive drugs of all sorts are readily available-and in which people too poor to buy drugs resort to sniffing gasoline, glue, and other industrial products, which can be more harmful than any drug. No, the greatest downside to legalization may well be the fact that the legal markets would fall into the hands of the powerful alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies. Still, legalization is a far more pragmatic option than living with the corruption, violence, and organized crime of the current system. Think Again: Drugs "Legalization Will Never Happen" Never say never. Wholesale legalization may be a long way off-but partial legalization is not. If any drug stands a chance of being legalized, it's cannabis. Hundreds of millions of people have used it, the vast majority without suffering any harm or going on to use "harder" drugs. In Switzerland, for example, cannabis legalization was twice approved by one chamber of its parliament, but narrowly rejected by the other. Elsewhere in Europe, support for the criminalization of cannabis is waning. In the United States, where roughly 40 percent of the country's 1.8 million annual drug arrests are for cannabis possession, typically of tiny amounts, 40 percent of Americans say that the drug should be taxed, controlled, and regulated like alcohol. Encouraged by Bolivian President Evo Morales, support is also growing in Latin America and Europe for removing coca from international antidrug conventions, given the absence of any credible health reason for keeping it there. Traditional growers would benefit economically, and there's some possibility that such products might compete favorably with more problematic substances, including alcohol. The global war on drugs persists in part because so many people fail to distinguish between the harms of drug abuse and the harms of prohibition. Legalization forces that distinction to the forefront. The opium problem in Afghanistan is primarily a prohibition problem, not a drug problem. The same is true of the narcoviolence and corruption that has afflicted Latin America and the Caribbean for almost three decades-and that now threatens Africa. Governments can arrest and kill drug lord after drug lord, but the ultimate solution is a structural one, not a prosecutorial one. Few people doubt any longer that the war on drugs is lost, but courage and vision are needed to transcend the ignorance, fear, and vested interests that sustain it. From digital at phantom.com Tue Sep 18 11:31:19 2007 From: digital at phantom.com (Patrick K. Kroupa) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:31:19 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Fwd: [Ibogaine] IterationS References: Message-ID: <77BBF3C9-70A9-409E-A67B-953EBE55661C@phantom.com> Sorry, I just archive this list automagically, I have no clue what's up with it and haven't been able to touch base with Preston yet. This went out to the ibogaine list, I am just Search/Find/Replacing "drugwar" for ibogaine. Hullo / Welcome / Buh-bye, as the case may be. Patrick Begin forwarded message: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello hello hellO > > ... > > As of today MindVox has completed a major transition to new servers, > software, and significantly increased bandwidth. > > If you are reading these words and wish to be unsubscribed, click > this link immediately: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > Scroll down to: > > "To unsubscribe from drugwar, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options enter your subscription email address:" > > Add the account you want removed, and you're gone; forever. > > ... > > We had to transition everything from the previous mail system / > mailing list manager, over to new software. This means the entire > subscriber list has been sifted/re-created using scripts. > Unfortunately this also means that people who have signed off in the > last coupla months, may once again re-exist. Shit happens, try to > get over it, click the link: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > Scroll down, and you're gone forever. > > ... > > The ibogaine list is extremely large. It will be re-materializing in > 4 waves, of approximately 2,000 people at a time. We have tried to > include everyone who has posted in the last year, within the first > pass. If the list is not working for someone you know, give it a day > or three, then let us know. > > ... > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE, change your settings, set yourself for digest mode, > and generally PUSH BUTTONS, go to: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > There are many new options, tagging for the mail lists will be turned > on within another day or two / and sync with the web interface that's > arriving Any Minute Now. > > ... > > Since, past experience has shown, nobody reads anything, no matter > how many times the information is contained within the message body; > nothing beats sending out 25 hysterical, "UNSUBSCRIBE!#!@#" > messages. Well, the software has gotten smarter, it'll actually read > your rant, search for key word groups such as, "HELP ME!" "I HATE > YOU!" and "UNSUBSCRIBE!" and remove you automagically. > > Everything should be back to abNormal within a few more days. > > Sorry, this was a necessary evil; everything had to change in order > to bring the new MindVox back online this fall. > > Laters, > > Patrick > > ... > > p.s., 10 more times for the Differently-Abled: > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE, go here: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Did you want to UNSUBSCRIBE? go here: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > TO get OFF the Ibogaine List, go here: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Me no want words, can't sm0ak or bang up werdz. werdz NO GOOD! GiVe > me drugZ or NOTHING! > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Huh? > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Hello, I have written you 3,000 personal letters, in the last 2 > weeks... why don't you answer?: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > You are all Profane IDIOTS. I want a SPECIAL WORLD filled with > SPECIAL PEOPLE who don't UPSET ME. I'm leaving and creating my brand > new SPECIAL IBOGAINE WORLD ... comprised of, uhm, well, myself and 3 > people ... none of whom have ever done ibogaine, or, actually, any > drugz, except for pot. But we have SPECIAL CONVERSATIONS that are > SACRED. I HATE YOU, Peace yo! > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Yes, but, how do I unsubscribe!??!@#!?!: From rlake at mapinc.org Tue Sep 18 11:34:32 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:34:32 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US CO: America's Pot Compromise Message-ID: <20070918154031.VEYL1254.aa04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: JimmyG Pubdate: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 Source: Denver Post (CO) Webpage: http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_6922092 Copyright: 2007 The Denver Post Corp Contact: openforum at denverpost.com Website: http://www.denverpost.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/122 Author: Michael Booth, Denver Post Staff Writer Note: The U.S. map is currently on line at http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=1657623 Cited: Citizens for a Safer Denver http://saferdenver.saferchoice.org/ Cited: NORML http://www.norml.org Cited: Sensible Colorado http://www.sensiblecolorado.org Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/pot.htm (Marijuana) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/decrim.htm (Decrim/Legalization) AMERICA'S POT COMPROMISE Take one swift glance at a U.S. map coded to reflect the widely varying marijuana laws in each state, and drug policy seems to range from irrational to incoherent. But dig into the details of public opinion, user behavior and police enforcement, and a more lucid picture of American attitudes comes into focus: People have learned to live with pot, up to a fine point. As Denver ponders yet another ballot measure on marijuana Nov. 6 - to make pursuit of small amounts of pot the "lowest law-enforcement priority" - many communities may already have reached a complicated compromise that reflects the wisdom of research and the consistency of survey results. In a growing number of states and large cities, possessing and smoking a little pot is either a minor offense or no crime at all, while growing or distributing the drug still gets you in big trouble. Growing or using pot for medicinal purposes is widely accepted, while police and defense attorneys argue the details of what constitutes therapeutic amounts. Almost no one wants kids to have free access to marijuana, while the stigma of adult use drops to the level of a speeding ticket. Most voters want police to stop arresting the casual pot smoker, but they also don't yet want the state to sanction a legalized marijuana industry, in the manner of alcohol or tobacco. In the more progressive states, such as Colorado, voters need to ask themselves "why the current state law is insufficient," said Rosalie Pacula, co-director of the RAND Drug Policy Research Center in California, whose work is respected by both sides of the marijuana debate. "Making it a low priority is already being done. So who is this about?" It's about forcing the police and public officials to heed previous public votes decriminalizing pot and making the community acknowledge that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol, argues SAFER, the group behind the current ballot initiative. "Some laws are just not feasible anymore," said Mason Tvert, SAFER's leader. "Marijuana-possession laws are at the top of that list." Defending the Status Quo Others counter that there's a reason for the status quo. A majority of people "want it to be illegal, but they want it to be a low law-enforcement priority," and it already is, said Colorado Attorney General John Suthers, who opposes the Denver ballot measure. And from a far different office, a similar pronouncement: "Americans are making a very clear and logical distinction," said Allen St. Pierre, director of NORML, the nation's most prominent advocate of liberalizing marijuana laws. "Possession is OK, but as soon as you introduce the idea of individuals growing" or the government regulating legal distribution, "you lose support in all of our polling." Denver voters will decide in November whether to instruct police to largely ignore possession of small amounts of marijuana. SAFER and Tvert also led the successful vote removing all penalties for petty marijuana possession in Denver in 2005, and the failed statewide vote in 2006 to erase the remaining Colorado penalties for possession. As it stands now, Denver's possession penalties were wiped off the books, but city police say they must - and want to - enforce the state law, which makes possession of up to an ounce a Class 2 misdemeanor with a $100 fine. Thus it remains a criminal offense that can interfere with jobs, student loans and other pursuits. "I think the voters of this country still advocate enforcement of marijuana laws," said Denver police Sgt. Ernie Martinez, who also is state president of the Colorado Drug Investigators Association. Though Tvert, St. Pierre and other liberalization advocates question how Martinez can draw that conclusion after Denver's 2005 vote, Martinez maintains the city's position is that "marijuana is still a dangerous drug." Martinez doesn't buy SAFER's comparison of pot with alcohol. "Examples of failed drug policy can already be found in alcohol, or cigarettes for that matter, so why make it worse by failing to enforce marijuana policy? It simply doesn't make public-policy sense." Tvert, for his part, is infuriated by suggestions that the public has settled on a marijuana policy that feels fair and doesn't want major change. "Your question, in my opinion, is like asking a pro-lifer why they can't just settle on the compromise that abortion is legal but there are some restrictions on it. Should they just give up?" Tvert said. "This notion that change isn't possible and people should live with oppressive laws a majority disagrees with actually disgusts me." Twelve states have now largely decriminalized possession of marijuana, though support for decriminalization varies between about 40 percent and 65 percent, depending on the vote, the poll or the state in question. Supreme Court Decision Thirteen states allow medical use of marijuana with a prescription; national polls show up to 73 percent support for medical marijuana, though a recent Supreme Court decision gave precedent to federal laws that still prohibit any use. Liberalization advocates were thrilled to see Nevada's vote on state-sanctioned marijuana sales gain 44 percent support in 2006. A respected national survey by the University of Chicago, however, says support for legalization - making marijuana sales the equivalent of alcohol and tobacco - stands at about 32 percent, up steadily from 19 percent in 1973 but still far from a majority. Support for legalization "has plateaued," agreed NORML's St. Pierre. "So it's up to the advocates of reform to build enough public support to lead our policymakers to do the right thing." Reformers remain angry, though, that public officials and police give the impression that marijuana laws are no longer a threat to the average citizen. Growing "one plant" in Colorado is the same level of felony as sex assault on a child, said Brian Vicente, a Denver attorney and director of the legalization-advocacy group Sensible Colorado. Other defense attorneys say police ignore the public's endorsement of medical marijuana and zealously prosecute licensed growers who violate minor provisions of the confusing laws. Misdemeanor marijuana arrests in Denver and the nation actually have gone up since the public started voting to decriminalize, they add. Denver arrests rose from 2,151 in 2003 to 2,446 last year, said Vicente, who requested police-department statistics. "Most arrests for possession are cited by a ticket and a fine," responded Martinez. "Most people don't go to jail." The biggest surprise in this year's vote may be how open to discussion all sides profess to be. Public debates on where to redraw the marijuana boundaries have become a respectable pastime, if not always a quiet one. Pundits such as conservative icon William F. Buckley Jr. and even The Denver Post editorial page now advocate full legalization. In "For the Long Haul" Martinez said voting forums make it easier to define the city's position. "It's a great educational place. It brings up some great debates, and it allows us to tell our side of the story on enforcement and prevention," he said. And while Tvert disputes nearly every fact offered by the police, he sees each campaign as an open-ended classroom for Americans. "This is not about an end-game with one election," Tvert said. "We're fighting 70-plus years of lies, propaganda and imbalanced laws. ... We're in this for the long haul, and we've come incredibly far here in Denver in just two and a half years." From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:08:11 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:08:11 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Fwd: [Ibogaine] IterationS In-Reply-To: <77BBF3C9-70A9-409E-A67B-953EBE55661C@phantom.com> References: <77BBF3C9-70A9-409E-A67B-953EBE55661C@phantom.com> Message-ID: <46EFF7EB.9020200@gmail.com> Oopsies. I took it upon myself to do the "Search/Find/Replacing" thing myself at about the same time you did, Patrick, but it looks like Thunderbird kept the "ibogaine" link active instead of switching it. I'm sure peeps will figure it out, thanks for getting these lists back up and running again. ~Nyc Patrick K. Kroupa wrote: > Sorry, I just archive this list automagically, I have no clue what's > up with it and haven't been able to touch base with Preston yet. > This went out to the ibogaine list, I am just Search/Find/Replacing > "drugwar" for ibogaine. > > Hullo / Welcome / Buh-bye, as the case may be. > > Patrick > > Begin forwarded message: > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello hello hellO >> >> ... >> >> As of today MindVox has completed a major transition to new servers, >> software, and significantly increased bandwidth. >> >> If you are reading these words and wish to be unsubscribed, click >> this link immediately: >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> Scroll down to: >> >> "To unsubscribe from drugwar, get a password reminder, or change >> your subscription options enter your subscription email address:" >> >> Add the account you want removed, and you're gone; forever. >> >> ... >> >> We had to transition everything from the previous mail system / >> mailing list manager, over to new software. This means the entire >> subscriber list has been sifted/re-created using scripts. >> Unfortunately this also means that people who have signed off in the >> last coupla months, may once again re-exist. Shit happens, try to >> get over it, click the link: >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> Scroll down, and you're gone forever. >> >> ... >> >> The ibogaine list is extremely large. It will be re-materializing in >> 4 waves, of approximately 2,000 people at a time. We have tried to >> include everyone who has posted in the last year, within the first >> pass. If the list is not working for someone you know, give it a day >> or three, then let us know. >> >> ... >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE, change your settings, set yourself for digest mode, >> and generally PUSH BUTTONS, go to: >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> There are many new options, tagging for the mail lists will be turned >> on within another day or two / and sync with the web interface that's >> arriving Any Minute Now. >> >> ... >> >> Since, past experience has shown, nobody reads anything, no matter >> how many times the information is contained within the message body; >> nothing beats sending out 25 hysterical, "UNSUBSCRIBE!#!@#" >> messages. Well, the software has gotten smarter, it'll actually read >> your rant, search for key word groups such as, "HELP ME!" "I HATE >> YOU!" and "UNSUBSCRIBE!" and remove you automagically. >> >> Everything should be back to abNormal within a few more days. >> >> Sorry, this was a necessary evil; everything had to change in order >> to bring the new MindVox back online this fall. >> >> Laters, >> >> Patrick >> >> ... >> >> p.s., 10 more times for the Differently-Abled: >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE, go here: >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> ... >> >> Did you want to UNSUBSCRIBE? go here: >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> ... >> >> TO get OFF the Ibogaine List, go here: >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> ... >> >> Me no want words, can't sm0ak or bang up werdz. werdz NO GOOD! GiVe >> me drugZ or NOTHING! >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> ... >> >> Huh? >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> ... >> >> Hello, I have written you 3,000 personal letters, in the last 2 >> weeks... why don't you answer?: >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> ... >> >> You are all Profane IDIOTS. I want a SPECIAL WORLD filled with >> SPECIAL PEOPLE who don't UPSET ME. I'm leaving and creating my brand >> new SPECIAL IBOGAINE WORLD ... comprised of, uhm, well, myself and 3 >> people ... none of whom have ever done ibogaine, or, actually, any >> drugz, except for pot. But we have SPECIAL CONVERSATIONS that are >> SACRED. I HATE YOU, Peace yo! >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> >> ... >> >> Yes, but, how do I unsubscribe!??!@#!?!: >> > > -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: <]=- > <][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][> > -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: <]=- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070918/e8b25218/attachment.htm From leighcmeyers at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 12:17:00 2007 From: leighcmeyers at yahoo.com (Leigh Meyers) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DrugWar] Fwd: [Ibogaine] IterationS Message-ID: <128572.17160.qm@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Who re-subscribed me to this list without my consent? TAKE ME OFF NOW! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070918/cde3d53c/attachment.htm From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 13:58:13 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:58:13 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] RelighT In-Reply-To: <6A64872C-57F6-4900-930F-1EF7CD9C2BFD@phantom.com> References: <593993.31741.qm@web34503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6A64872C-57F6-4900-930F-1EF7CD9C2BFD@phantom.com> Message-ID: <46F011B5.3010809@gmail.com> Yup. My bad. I should have listened to that small, still, voice, (that's always right, and that I always, always ignore), that told me to: cut/plain-text in Notepad/then paste into the message body before I hit 'send', but, of course, I didn't. Sorry 4 the confusion. ~Nyc PS: It's "Nyc", as in "knick", as in: "Don't get your Knickerbockers in a bunch." Don't know why this is so challenging for everybody, 'specially my extra-special, super l33t compatriots. ... Patrick K. Kroupa wrote: > Hi Erin, > > I didn't write that, NYC Alberts search and replaced right before I > did but his message seems to have left the ibogaine URLs intact, > sorry, just switch ibogaine to drugwar: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > best, > > Patrick > > On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Erin Hildebrandt wrote: >> Greetings Patrick, >> >> As always, love your rants! :-) >> >> Buuuut ... I'm confused about switching back to digest on Drugwar. >> >> The link took me to the Ibogaine list page, but I don't want to sign >> up for the Ibogaine list. Does that cover Drugwar, too, and will I >> be signing up for both lists by filling out the form? And since I'm >> already subscribed, will filling out the form just change my >> subscription to Drugwar, or will I end up subscribed twice? >> >> Hope that makes sense! >> >> Thanks, >> Erin >> >> "Nyc W. Alberts" wrote: -----BEGIN PGP >> SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello hello hellO >> >> ... >> >> As of today MindVox has completed a major transition to new servers, >> software, and significantly increased bandwidth. >> >> If you are reading these words and wish to be unsubscribed, click >> this link immediately: >> >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar Scroll down to: "To >> unsubscribe from DrugWar, get a password reminder, or change your >> subscription options enter your subscription email address:" Add the >> account you want removed, and you're gone; forever. ... We had to >> transition everything from the previous mail system / mailing list >> manager, over to new software. This means the entire subscriber list >> has been sifted/re-created using scripts. Unfortunately this also >> means that people who have signed off in the last coupla months, may >> once again re-exist. Shit happens, try to get over it, click the >> link:http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar Scroll down, and >> you're gone forever. ... The ibogaine list is extremely large. It >> will be re-materializing in 4 waves, of approximately 2,000 people at >> a time. We have tried to include everyone who has posted in the last >> year, within the first pass. If the list is not working for someone >> you know, give it a day or three, then let us know. ... TO >> UNSUBSCRIBE, change your settings, set yourself for digest mode, and >> generally PUSH BUTTONS, go to: >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwarThere are many new >> options, tagging for the mail lists will be turned on within another >> day or two / and sync with the web interface that's arriving Any >> Minute Now. ... Since, past experience has shown, nobody reads >> anything, no matter how many times the information is contained >> within the message body; nothing beats sending out 25 hysterical, >> "UNSUBSCRIBE!#!@#" messages. Well, the software has gotten smarter, >> it'll actually read your rant, search for key word groups such as, >> "HELP ME!" "I HATE YOU!" and "UNSUBSCRIBE!" and remove you >> automagically. Everything should be back to abNormal within a few >> more days. Sorry, this was a necessary evil; everything had to change >> in order to bring the new MindVox back online this fall. Laters, >> Patrick ... p.s., 10 more times for the Differently-Abled: TO >> UNSUBSCRIBE, go here: >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ... Did you want to >> UNSUBSCRIBE? go here: http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar >> ... TO get OFF the DrugWar List, go here: >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ... Me no want words, >> can't sm0ak or bang up werdz. werdz NO GOOD! GiVe me drugZ or >> NOTHING! http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ... Huh? >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ... Hello, I have >> written you 3,000 personal letters, in the last 2 weeks... why don't >> you answer?: http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ... You >> are all Profane IDIOTS. I want a SPECIAL WORLD filled with SPECIAL >> PEOPLE who don't UPSET ME. I'm leaving and creating my brand new >> SPECIAL DrugWar WORLD ... comprised of, uhm, well, myself and 3 >> people ... none of whom have ever done DrugWar, or, actually, any >> drugz, except for pot. But we have SPECIAL CONVERSATIONS that are >> SACRED. I HATE YOU, Peace yo! >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ... Yes, but, how do >> I unsubscribe!??!@#!?!: >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ... TO UNSUBSCRIBE, >> go here: ... ... and : #10! To remove yourself >> (permenantly) from the DList, go here: >> http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwarScroll down to the >> part that says, "unsubscribe" fill in the web form (no email back and >> forth needed), you are gone. Have a great life! Seeya! -----BEGIN PGP >> SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) >> iD8DBQFG73rt5L/G7WgR2WYRAoajAJ9cPGkW3veni6acvNOsLj/ZWesz8ACgkrVu >> HkApdyY31uG3dio6cblStzA= =KtrL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -=[) >> ::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands ::::::: (]=- (][%] :: >> http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/DrugWar :: [%][) >> -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe :::: (]=- >> >> >> Halphen, Tammera wrote: >>> Why did I get this message and about 12 copies of the attached message >>> and also the one I replied to below? I used to be subscribed at this >>> address but not anymore. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com] >>> On Behalf Of Patrick K. Kroupa >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:23 AM >>> To: drugwar at mindvox.com Subject: [DrugWar] RelighT Yoo Hoo, >>> Preston... -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: >>> <]=- <][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: >>> [%][> >>> -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: <]=- >>> >>> >>> Subject: >>> [DrugWar] (no subject) >>> From: >>> >>> Date: >>> Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:25:11 -0400 >>> To: >>> >>> To: >>> >>> >>> The email address you sent this message to is not a valid email >>> address. Please check the spelling and try again. >>> >>> -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: <]=- >>> <][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][> >>> -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: <]=- >>> -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: <]=- >>> <][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][> >>> -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: <]=- >> >> -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: <]=- >> <][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][> >> -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: <]=- >> >> >> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone >> who knows. >> Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > > > From baystatebar at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 14:19:11 2007 From: baystatebar at yahoo.com (Libby) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DrugWar] RelighT In-Reply-To: <46EFEDBD.3030509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20713.21784.qm@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hilarious. Libby --- "Nyc W. Alberts" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello hello hellO > > ... > > As of today MindVox has completed a major transition > to new servers, > software, and significantly increased bandwidth. > > If you are reading these words and wish to be > unsubscribed, click > this link immediately: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > Scroll down to: > > "To unsubscribe from DrugWar, get a password > reminder, or change > your subscription options enter your subscription > email address:" > > Add the account you want removed, and you're gone; > forever. > > ... > > We had to transition everything from the previous > mail system / > mailing list manager, over to new software. This > means the entire > subscriber list has been sifted/re-created using > scripts. > Unfortunately this also means that people who have > signed off in the > last coupla months, may once again re-exist. Shit > happens, try to > get over it, click the link: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > Scroll down, and you're gone forever. > > ... > > The ibogaine list is extremely large. It will be > re-materializing in > 4 waves, of approximately 2,000 people at a time. > We have tried to > include everyone who has posted in the last year, > within the first > pass. If the list is not working for someone you > know, give it a day > or three, then let us know. > > ... > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE, change your settings, set yourself > for digest mode, > and generally PUSH BUTTONS, go to: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > There are many new options, tagging for the mail > lists will be turned > on within another day or two / and sync with the web > interface that's > arriving Any Minute Now. > > ... > > Since, past experience has shown, nobody reads > anything, no matter > how many times the information is contained within > the message body; > nothing beats sending out 25 hysterical, > "UNSUBSCRIBE!#!@#" > messages. Well, the software has gotten smarter, > it'll actually read > your rant, search for key word groups such as, "HELP > ME!" "I HATE > YOU!" and "UNSUBSCRIBE!" and remove you > automagically. > > Everything should be back to abNormal within a few > more days. > > Sorry, this was a necessary evil; everything had to > change in order > to bring the new MindVox back online this fall. > > Laters, > > Patrick > > ... > > p.s., 10 more times for the Differently-Abled: > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE, go here: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Did you want to UNSUBSCRIBE? go here: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > TO get OFF the DrugWar List, go here: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Me no want words, can't sm0ak or bang up werdz. > werdz NO GOOD! GiVe > me drugZ or NOTHING! > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Huh? > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Hello, I have written you 3,000 personal letters, in > the last 2 > weeks... why don't you answer?: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > You are all Profane IDIOTS. I want a SPECIAL WORLD > filled with > SPECIAL PEOPLE who don't UPSET ME. I'm leaving and > creating my brand > new SPECIAL DrugWar WORLD ... comprised of, uhm, > well, myself and 3 > people ... none of whom have ever done DrugWar, or, > actually, any > drugz, except for pot. But we have SPECIAL > CONVERSATIONS that are > SACRED. I HATE YOU, Peace yo! > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > Yes, but, how do I unsubscribe!??!@#!?!: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > ... > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE, go here: > > > ... > > ... and : #10! > > To remove yourself (permenantly) from the DList, go > here: > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > Scroll down to the part that says, "unsubscribe" > fill in the web form > (no email back and forth needed), you are gone. > Have a great life! > Seeya! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFG73rt5L/G7WgR2WYRAoajAJ9cPGkW3veni6acvNOsLj/ZWesz8ACgkrVu > HkApdyY31uG3dio6cblStzA= > =KtrL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -=[) ::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands > ::::::: (]=- > (][%] :: > http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/DrugWar :: > [%][) > -=[) :::: Change Account Settings :: [Un]Subscribe > :::: (]=- > > > > > Halphen, Tammera wrote: > === message truncated ===> -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands > :::::::: <]=- > <][%] ::: > http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: > [%][> > -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe > ::::: <]=- > Libby Spencer Detroit News blog http://info.detnews.com/weblog/ The Impolitic http://theimpolitic.blogspot.com/ The Newshoggers http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/ The Reaction http://www.the-reaction.blogspot.com/ Last One Speaks http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:32:49 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:32:49 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] RelighT In-Reply-To: <20713.21784.qm@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20713.21784.qm@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46F019D1.8000205@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070918/a15c59c8/attachment.htm From baystatebar at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 14:44:40 2007 From: baystatebar at yahoo.com (Libby) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DrugWar] Leigh Meyers In-Reply-To: <128572.17160.qm@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <816359.99058.qm@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Leigh! Good to know you're alive. I wondered what had happened to you. All the best. Libby --- Leigh Meyers wrote: > Who re-subscribed me to this list without my > consent? > > TAKE ME OFF NOW! Libby Spencer Detroit News blog http://info.detnews.com/weblog/ The Impolitic http://theimpolitic.blogspot.com/ The Newshoggers http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/ The Reaction http://www.the-reaction.blogspot.com/ Last One Speaks http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From baystatebar at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 14:46:13 2007 From: baystatebar at yahoo.com (Libby) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DrugWar] Fwd: [Ibogaine] IterationS In-Reply-To: <77BBF3C9-70A9-409E-A67B-953EBE55661C@phantom.com> Message-ID: <330344.7922.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Patrick, well I still love you and your incomprehensible posts. Somehow I'm back on the list and I don't mind a bit. Thanks for all the work you do on this. Libby --- "Patrick K. Kroupa" wrote: > Sorry, I just archive this list automagically, I > have no clue what's > up with it and haven't been able to touch base with > Preston yet. > This went out to the ibogaine list, I am just > Search/Find/Replacing > "drugwar" for ibogaine. > > Hullo / Welcome / Buh-bye, as the case may be. > > Patrick > > Begin forwarded message: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello hello hellO > > > > ... > > > > As of today MindVox has completed a major > transition to new servers, > > software, and significantly increased bandwidth. > > > > If you are reading these words and wish to be > unsubscribed, click > > this link immediately: > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > Scroll down to: > > > > "To unsubscribe from drugwar, get a password > reminder, or change > > your subscription options enter your subscription > email address:" > > > > Add the account you want removed, and you're gone; > forever. > > > > ... > > > > We had to transition everything from the previous > mail system / > > mailing list manager, over to new software. This > means the entire > > subscriber list has been sifted/re-created using > scripts. > > Unfortunately this also means that people who have > signed off in the > > last coupla months, may once again re-exist. Shit > happens, try to > > get over it, click the link: > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > Scroll down, and you're gone forever. > > > > ... > > > > The ibogaine list is extremely large. It will be > re-materializing in > > 4 waves, of approximately 2,000 people at a time. > We have tried to > > include everyone who has posted in the last year, > within the first > > pass. If the list is not working for someone you > know, give it a day > > or three, then let us know. > > > > ... > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE, change your settings, set yourself > for digest mode, > > and generally PUSH BUTTONS, go to: > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > There are many new options, tagging for the mail > lists will be turned > > on within another day or two / and sync with the > web interface that's > > arriving Any Minute Now. > > > > ... > > > > Since, past experience has shown, nobody reads > anything, no matter > > how many times the information is contained within > the message body; > > nothing beats sending out 25 hysterical, > "UNSUBSCRIBE!#!@#" > > messages. Well, the software has gotten smarter, > it'll actually read > > your rant, search for key word groups such as, > "HELP ME!" "I HATE > > YOU!" and "UNSUBSCRIBE!" and remove you > automagically. > > > > Everything should be back to abNormal within a few > more days. > > > > Sorry, this was a necessary evil; everything had > to change in order > > to bring the new MindVox back online this fall. > > > > Laters, > > > > Patrick > > > > ... > > > > p.s., 10 more times for the Differently-Abled: > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE, go here: > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > ... > > > > Did you want to UNSUBSCRIBE? go here: > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > ... > > > > TO get OFF the Ibogaine List, go here: > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > ... > > > > Me no want words, can't sm0ak or bang up werdz. > werdz NO GOOD! GiVe > > me drugZ or NOTHING! > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > ... > > > > Huh? > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > ... > > > > Hello, I have written you 3,000 personal letters, > in the last 2 > > weeks... why don't you answer?: > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > ... > > > > You are all Profane IDIOTS. I want a SPECIAL > WORLD filled with > > SPECIAL PEOPLE who don't UPSET ME. I'm leaving > and creating my brand > > new SPECIAL IBOGAINE WORLD ... comprised of, uhm, > well, myself and 3 > > people ... none of whom have ever done ibogaine, > or, actually, any > > drugz, except for pot. But we have SPECIAL > CONVERSATIONS that are > > SACRED. I HATE YOU, Peace yo! > > > > http://www.mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar > > > > ... > > > > Yes, but, how do I unsubscribe!??!@#!?!: > > -=[> :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands > :::::::: <]=- > <][%] ::: > http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: > [%][> > -=[> ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe > ::::: <]=- > Libby Spencer Detroit News blog http://info.detnews.com/weblog/ The Impolitic http://theimpolitic.blogspot.com/ The Newshoggers http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/ The Reaction http://www.the-reaction.blogspot.com/ Last One Speaks http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From rlake at mapinc.org Tue Sep 18 22:57:33 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:57:33 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US LA: Column: Jena 6: What Next to Erase This National Disgrace? Message-ID: <20070919025827.DKHG21339.aarprv03.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: Educators For Sensible Drug Policy: http://www.efsdp.org Pubdate: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 Source: Louisiana Weekly, The (New Orleans, LA) Copyright: 2007 Louisiana Weekly Publishing Company Contact: edmund at louisianaweekly.com Website: http://www.louisianaweekly.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/3627 Author: Ron Walters, NNPA Columnist Note: Dr. Ron Walters is the Distinguished Leadership Scholar, Director of the African American Leadership Center and Professor of Government and Politics at the University of Maryland. Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?140 (Rockefeller Drug Laws) JENA 6: WHAT NEXT TO ERASE THIS NATIONAL DISGRACE? Unless you have been on vacation or otherwise under a rock, a case that is rocking Black America involves the racist conviction of six black youths, by an all-white jury, to the tune of potential 100-year sentences, while white youths were given the comparative leniency of in-school probation and non-prosecution for committing violent acts. This legal lynching of six young Black students by officials in Jena, La. is not only a continuing manifestation of Southern justice, it is a symptom of a vicious period in American history now in existence emphasizing the use of the law to severely punish Blacks. So, while there are justified mobilizations taking place around the Jena 6 injustice, the heat of the Black community, activists, officials, church leaders, all, should be directed toward the changes in the law that have made these injustices easier to perpetrate by local criminal justice officials. Recent data from the Department of Justice indicates that 5 percent of Black males are incarcerated; 0.7 percent of white males; 11 percent of Black men 25-34. Moreover, in twelve states, between 10 and 15 percent of adult Black men are incarcerated and they are incarcerated at rates between 12 and 16 times greater than those of white men. There desperately needs to be a change in the laws promulgated during the era of the "war on drugs" that have greased the wheels of the criminal system that have focused the heavy weapons of targeted policing, ineffective legal defense, and police corruption to affect the disproportionate convictions of Blacks. Mandatory minimum sentencing drug guidelines like the Rockefeller Drug laws, "three-strikes and you're out," etc. - all of these devices are instruments of the problem creating run-away incarceration. They should be repealed! On vacation recently in West Palm Beach, Florida I noticed that in a smaller section known as Riviera Beach that was predominantly Black. the local newspaper carried a story about police there attempting to reduce the crime rate by focusing on gang-busting tactics. The police used "no-tolerance" measures to stop drivers for any infraction, such as not coming to a full stop at a light, not wearing seat-belts, etc., as a pretext to search their vehicles. And by the end of June 2007, while, 1,879 people were arrested, only 10 confirmed gang members were in that number, where 330 autos were also impounded. Meanwhile, no targeted policing was occurring in the plush cocaine alleys of affluent Palm Beach or other areas. We need laws to establish a prohibition against such "targeted policing" that is racially discriminatory and amounts to racial profiling. Mychal Bell, one of the Jena 6, was prosecuted as an adult and assigned a public defender who never called any witnesses. This situation is also common and reports indicate that this practice of adult prosecution and incarceration of youths is out of control. In six states, Black youth under age 18 are incarcerated in adult facilities at rates between 12 and 25 times greater than those of white youth. And they can be prosecuted and incarcerated for either non-violent or violent offenses, contrary to clear evidence in recent Zogby poll that 68 percent of the public opposes the practice. So laws must be passed that outlaw this practice - that the evidence shows has not deterred youth crime - and return the administration of justice for youths to the juvenile system. The Justice Department sent representatives to participate in a community forum in Jena and the Black attorney proceeded to uphold all that local officials had done. This might have been anticipated, because of the strong tie to the Bush government. On September 9, local officials broke ground on a $30 million detention facility, awarded them by the Department of Homeland Security. We are coming up to the September 20 sentencing of Mychal Bell by the Louisiana authorities who have recently reduced his conviction to something they may be able to prove in court. The Congressional Black Caucus weekend of September 26. Much will be made of the result of the sentencing at that gathering, but the offensive should carry on into the presidential election and result in overturning the vicious and racist legislation that this case reflects. From rlake at mapinc.org Thu Sep 20 07:03:54 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:03:54 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US: Mexican Drug Cartels Move North Message-ID: <20070920110414.HEAJ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: What's OnAir? www.mapinc.org/onair/ Pubdate: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 Source: Washington Post (DC) Page: A14 Copyright: 2007 The Washington Post Company Contact: letters at washpost.com Website: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/491 Author: Manuel Roig-Franzia, Washington Post Foreign Service Alert: Just Say NO To 'Plan Mexico' http://www.mapinc.org/alert/0352.html Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/drug+cartels Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Plan+Mexico (Plan Mexico) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/people/Felipe+Calderon Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topics/Mexico (Mexico) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/pot.htm (Marijuana) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/coke.htm (Cocaine) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/meth.htm (Methamphetamine) MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS MOVE NORTH U.S. Effort to Battle Groups Is Flawed, GAO Report Says MEXICO CITY -- Mexican drug cartels now operate in almost every region of the United States and bring in as much as $23 billion a year in revenue, according to a Government Accountability Office report that will be released Thursday. U.S. assistance has helped Mexico combat cartels, the report says, but those efforts have been hampered by Mexican government corruption and by the failure of key players in the United States, including the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, to coordinate better with Mexican law enforcement. The White House drug policy office, the report says, has prepared a counter-narcotics plan but has not discussed portions of the initiative that require Mexican cooperation with authorities in Mexico. "The Office of National Drug Control Policy has to stop dropping the ball and doing sloppy work," Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), who requested the report, said in an e-mail Wednesday. "They had plenty of time to forge a working relationship with the Mexican government, but it appears that nothing has been accomplished." The agency, Grassley added, "needs to realize that we're in this fight together, and it's foolish to think we can implement an effective plan to stop the flow of drugs from Mexico on our own." Patrick Ward, assistant deputy director of the White House drug office, said in an interview Wednesday that his office has had extensive contact with Mexican authorities about counter-narcotics plans since the GAO conducted its probe. "Our cooperation with the Mexican government, especially in the last eight to 10 months since President [Felipe] Calder?n took office, has been absolutely phenomenal," Ward said. The report, an advance copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post, is the starkest evidence yet of Mexico's emergence as the main conduit of illegal drugs into the United States. The share of cocaine arriving in the United States through Mexico, for instance, leapt from 66 percent in 2000 to 90 percent in 2005. Other transshipment points include Haiti, the Dominican Republic and Central America. Combined, Mexican drug cartels generate more revenue than at least 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies, and the U.S. government's highest estimate of cartel revenue tops that of Merck, Deere and Halliburton. Congressional aides said the report may lead to increased cooperation between the two countries and give more impetus to already well-advanced talks aimed at developing a massive U.S. aid package to fight drug trafficking in Mexico. The report paints a troubling picture of bureaucratic tangles that impede drug control efforts: Operation Halcon, a successful, helicopter-based border surveillance program, was canceled in November 2006 because the United States and Mexico could not resolve accident liability issues. Failure to reach an accord allowing U.S. law enforcement officers to board suspicious Mexican-flagged ships has allowed drug traffickers to evade capture by dumping their loads at sea. Even as drug production soars in Mexico, "a relatively small percentage of the estimated supply" of drugs is seized, the report says. Marijuana production, for instance, rose sharply from 7,000 metric tons in 2000 to 13,500 in 2003, before leveling off at about 10,000 metric tons in 2004 and 2005. But seizures changed little during that period. Despite the disturbing trend lines, GAO investigators also saw positive signs. They praised Mexico for extraditing a record number of drug suspects to the United States in 2006 and said President Calderon, in office since December, has demonstrated "a new level of commitment to combating drug traffickers." The report praises Calderon for deploying 27,000 troops and police officers to fight cartels in eight Mexican states and for persuading his country's Congress to approve a 24 percent increase in the national security budget. Mexico and the United States have made advances in joint efforts to crack down on money laundering, the report says, and technical support from the United States is helping Mexico develop plans for a more transparent criminal justice system with trials that involve oral arguments and are open to the public. The report says Mexican courts now primarily use a "Napoleonic inquisitorial model" -- in which judges review only written material -- that "has been vulnerable to the corrupting influences of powerful interests." The amount of drugs flowing through Mexico is growing rapidly, spurred by growing demand in the United States, where 35 million people abuse illegal drugs, the report says. Methamphetamines appear to be the fastest-growing drug crossing the border. Though no one is sure how much methamphetamine reaches the United States, seizures along the border rose from 500 kilograms in 2000 to 2,700 in 2006, indicating "a dramatic rise in supply," the report says. A climate of "impunity" for drug traffickers in Mexico has contributed to the trends. Mexican cartels are more violent and sophisticated than ever, taking advantage of advances in cellular and satellite technology to evade law enforcement, the report says. Since 2000, Mexico has been taking steps to clean up corruption within the ranks of law enforcement, including firing more than 950 federal officers in 2006 and forming the Federal Investigative Agency, whose agents have to undergo background checks, the report notes. Along with the well-known Tijuana, Gulf and Juarez cartels, the report identifies a lesser-known Mexican drug organization called "the Federation." The Federation, the report says, is an alliance of drug traffickers based in Sinaloa state near the city of Culiacan and has "the most extensive geographic reach in Mexico." "The Federation's influence in Sinaloa is so pervasive that Mexico seldom mounts counternarcotics operations in the interior of that state," the report says, citing U.S. and Mexican officials. From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 21:42:35 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:42:35 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] San Francisco Orders Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Sell Fatter Bags | Stop the Drug War (DRCNet) Message-ID: <46F3218B.6080606@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070920/4bb148c6/attachment.htm From rlake at mapinc.org Thu Sep 20 22:46:17 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:46:17 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US HI: Column: When Will This (Marijuana) War Ever End? Message-ID: <20070921024631.NYCG495.aarprv02.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: Kirk Pubdate: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 Source: Hawaii Tribune Herald (Hilo, HI) Copyright: 2007 Hawaii Tribune Herald Contact: letters at hawaiitribune-herald.com Website: http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/185 Author: Gloria Baraquio Referenced: Gloria Baraquio's column last week http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n000/a183.html Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/pot.htm (Marijuana) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/decrim.htm (Decrim/Legalization) WHEN WILL THIS (MARIJUANA) WAR EVER END? Will the marijuana war end? I think the only thing anyone ever talked to me about this week was marijuana. Since last week's column printed, I haven't been able to get away from the topic. Should cannabis be legal? Why is it illegal? Why are people being criminalized? Why are we being invaded? Can weed actually heal you? WARNING: marijuana is a very emotional subject to discuss. Please don't bring it up at any fun, lighthearted gatherings -- unless you don't mind people getting not so fun and lighthearted. In the past week, I think I've heard practically every perspective on the issue. People have talked broadly; they've talked personally. They shared their pros; they shared their cons. They discussed legalization; they discussed criminalization. Overall, people were concerned about society's safety, freedom, and well-being as a whole. Some debated on whether or not weed fried people's brains, led them to harder drugs, simply mellowed people out, or healed people's ailments. Some disagreed on weed's effects because it's really hard to say how any chemical will affect any individual. From alcohol to caffeine, from salt to sugar, from meats to carbs, some people are just predisposed to certain intolerances and/or addictions. So some will say it's good, and some will say it's bad. When people argued about the legal aspect, some said that if it were legal, the government could make money off of taxes, and marijuana prices would go down, which would make it less of a commodity. Others argued that more crime and theft would ensue on people's marijuana farms. They also said that legalizing it would lead to the legalization of harder drugs, like ice and cocaine...and that would not be good. But the bottom line to all of this is that people smoke marijuana anyway. So how do we deal with that? Others who didn't seem to have any answers were simply perplexed at how law enforcement has been handling marijuana busts. "Why not focus on the ice problem first"? many have asked. "Why not put more time and money towards education instead of incarceration"? Some think that pot offenders are taking up space in prisons that could be used for rapists, murderers, and crackheads instead. Others are fed up with the noise and invasion of helicopters hovering over their neighborhoods, and no one can figure out if Green Harvest has been terminated or not. Another burning question seems to be, "Where do all the marijuana plants go after they're seized?" And what the community is really disturbed about are the unannounced, illegal, violent house raids, which include merciless abuse of pet animals and ruthless vandalism of private property. People have become frightened to be in their own homes...and they sound like they're tired of it. This is what I read recently on a posted flier: 'Peace Through Action' "The Big Island community for over 20 years has had to tolerate burglars, armed robbery by organized crime organizations in Hawaii, and unlawful police raids. Peace through doing nothing has not worked. "This is why hundreds of Big Island community members are joined together to see it stop! PEACE through action wants PEACE!!!! "We want to live in 'peace and harmony' with our entire extended Big Island ohana! We want our families to live without fear of robbers, rapists, or law enforcement unlawfully coming with guns in hand, invading our homes." The flier says that some of their actions will include the use of weapons, alarms and foghorns, radio communication, camera surveillance, private detectives and military tactics. Sounds intense. But I guess people are serious about finally stopping this marijuana war. I'm just afraid to see how it's gonna end. From rabbit at cownow.com Fri Sep 21 01:14:25 2007 From: rabbit at cownow.com (Bonnie) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:14:25 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] San Francisco Orders Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Sell Fatter Bags | Stop the Drug War (DRCNet) In-Reply-To: <46F3218B.6080606@gmail.com> References: <46F3218B.6080606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070921051425.GA7759@cownow.com> There's more good news from CA, too -- I heard this on the radio Thursday: http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_6945490 OK for pot in the park keeps Santa Cruz weird SMOKING BAN LIFTED FOR ONE DAY excerpt: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The city last year banned smoking in two city parks, citing the threat to public health. The city also is on record in support of the local group that distributes medicinal marijuana. That group's annual festival is coming up - noon to 5 p.m., Sept. 29 - and some of the members might need to "medicate" during the festivities. The problem: The festival is in San Lorenzo Park, one of the parks with a no-smoking ban. The solution? Rescind the law for a day. The city passed a unanimous resolution last week to do just that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- forwarded by: Bonnie From digital at phantom.com Fri Sep 21 05:01:58 2007 From: digital at phantom.com (Patrick K. Kroupa) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:01:58 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] The War on Consciousness Message-ID: <9AF44425-1D0E-4A8D-AECD-43F30C98C5AC@phantom.com> If you have any interest whatsoever regarding the negative impact of the War on Consciousness; I meant to say DRUGS -- PLEASE take the time to check out the following link, and take some sort of action. http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4639.html Even if you're broke, you can write a letter or make a phone call. Amongst his other projects, Marc Emery is the founder of Iboga Therapy House, and has devoted a tremendous amount of his time, effort and cashflow, to helping drug-dependent individuals obtain free access to ibogaine. His extradition hearing has been scheduled to begin on November 5th, 2007. If you support drug-reform, harm reduction, or basic human liberty and freedom of choice, please take a few minutes and do whatever you can. Thanks, Patrick From rlake at mapinc.org Fri Sep 21 06:33:43 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:33:43 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US FL: Full Pardon Begins to Ease Man's Pain Message-ID: <20070921103401.TTZK495.aarprv02.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: Please Write a LTE www.mapinc.org/resource/#guides Pubdate: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 Source: St. Petersburg Times (FL) Page: 1A, Front Page, Top http://www.sptimes.com/2007/09/21/timesfront/Times_1A.pdf Webpage: http://www.sptimes.com/2007/09/21/State/Full_pardon_begins_to.shtml Copyright: 2007 St. Petersburg Times Contact: http://www.sptimes.com/letters/ Website: http://www.sptimes.com/home.shtml Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/419 Author: Jamal Thalji, Times Staff Writer Note: Times staff writer Steve Bousquet contributed to this report. Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/people/Richard+Paey Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?232 (Chronic Pain) FULL PARDON BEGINS TO EASE MAN'S PAIN Governor and Cabinet Rule a Pain Patient Shouldn't Be in Prison. TALLAHASSEE -- Richard Paey wanted to be a lawyer and then a cop, but the searing pain in his legs robbed him of that. He settled for being a son, husband and father. Then the state said he was a drug trafficker. After a decade he was convicted on the third try and sentenced to 25 years in prison. But the drugs were for Paey's own chronic pain, the result of a car crash, back surgery and multiple sclerosis. Appeal after appeal fell through. He found sympathy, in the courts of law and public opinion, but not relief. Now, after more than three years in prison, Paey can call himself something else: A free man. Paey, 48, was granted a full pardon Thursday by Gov. Charlie Crist and the Florida Cabinet in Tallahassee. "We aim to right a wrong," Crist said. "And to do it with grace." Paey never dared dream of a full pardon. All he asked the clemency board to do was commute his sentence to time served. Then the governor stunned Paey's wife, Linda, and their three teenage children: "I state he should be released today," Crist said. Applause broke out in the Cabinet meeting room. The Paey family and lawyer John Flannery II hugged. It was 9:40 a.m. Nine hours later, Richard Paey came home to Hudson. "In the immortal words of Dorothy," he said, pausing to kiss his wife, "there's no place like home." The reasons why Paey, who was convicted in 2004, ended up in prison are still disputed. Pinellas-Pasco State Attorney Bernie McCabe said Paey turned down several plea offers that would have spared him serving any time. Paey wanted the charges dropped, McCabe said, which he could not do. Paey said he wanted to take a stand on behalf of pain patients but not if it meant going to prison and leaving his family behind. It was the state, Paey said, that scuttled any plea deals. Paey and his side still contest every bit of the state's case. Afterward even the jurors regretted their verdict. Last year, Paey had his hopes pinned on an appeal to the 2nd District Court of Appeal. In December the appellate judges upheld his conviction and sentence but acknowledged his plight. "Mr. Paey's argument about his sentences does not fall on deaf ears, but it falls on the wrong ears," Judge Douglas Wallace wrote. Paey is used to setbacks. A 1985 car wreck, then botched surgeries, left him in constant pain and ended any hope of a normal life. Then, after his 1997 arrest, he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. He now uses a wheelchair. The court told Paey to ask the governor for clemency. Paey let a deadline to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court slip by. His side wanted to show the governor and Cabinet how much faith he had in them for his shot at freedom. He needed three out of four votes, and one had to be cast by the governor. Otherwise he would have to wait more than four years to apply again. The Florida Parole Commission report recommended the Cabinet deny Paey's petition. It was a controversial drug case, Flannery was told. "Early on I had a little bit of confidence and then it was absolutely gone when we entered," Linda Paey said. It didn't take long to figure out which way the governor was leaning. When Flannery's allotted five minutes before the Cabinet were up, he asked for more time. "Of course," the governor said. Then Crist let Linda Paey speak, all three of their teens, even a family friend. For 40 minutes they spoke. The Legislature never foresaw a man like Paey, Flannery said, a man who needed massive amounts of drugs but would run afoul of laws designed to curb possessing those amounts. "We didn't expect to have a patient who needs more drugs than we can comprehend in our daily lives," Flannery said. His most powerful example of the disconnect between Florida law and Paey's condition was this: the 700 Percocet pills Paey was accused of trafficking, Flannery said, contained only minute amounts of the drug Oxycodone. The rest was Tylenol. Florida's own prison system gives him more morphine each day to treat his pain than the entire amount of Oxycodone he was convicted of trafficking in, he said. Paey never passed on any of his drugs to anyone else. Nor did he take a penny for those drugs. "He's not a drug trafficker," an emotional Linda Paey told the Cabinet. "He is just a patient who needed pain medication." After the emotional presentation, the first comments from the dais came from the governor: "I want to move that we grant a full pardon." The Cabinet made it unanimous. It was the start of a day of surprises for the Paey family. "I grabbed John's hand," Linda Paey said. "We came into this so scared, trembling." Then Crist ordered her husband released that day. "I didn't know you could do that," Linda Paey said. She was driving on Interstate 10, heading to Daytona Beach to get her husband out of prison when a call delivered the last shock of the day: The state was bringing her husband to her. Prison staffers waited a while to break the news to Paey, but he knew something was up. "They're comedians in prison," he joked. "They were determined to make me suffer to the end." The prison staff scrounged up a polo shirt and jeans for him. Two staffers drove him home. TV cameras were waiting. He has gotten used to this. The 60 Minutes profile. The New York Times interview. Paey embraced his role in a fight much larger than himself: to protect patients and doctors from draconian drug laws. "It's gone on for over a decade that I've been fighting," Paey said, "over 1,100 days in prison." Paey hugged his kids -- Catherine, 17, Elizabeth, 16, and Benjamin, 15 -- petted his dog Winnie and fulfilled his last wish upon leaving prison: eating pizza. Then, finally, it was his turn to fulfill someone else's wish: His 84-year-old mother, Helen, who wanted to see her son out of prison before she died. "I can't believe it," she said. "I'm shaking, I'm shaking all over." From baystatebar at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 15:42:42 2007 From: baystatebar at yahoo.com (Libby) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DrugWar] The War on Consciousness In-Reply-To: <9AF44425-1D0E-4A8D-AECD-43F30C98C5AC@phantom.com> Message-ID: <674733.27510.qm@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Finally, a post from you that I completely understand and a timely reminder. I've been remiss in following the drug war now that I'm doing so much general poli-blogging but this is one case that I've been following from the start. I'll be sure to do a post for The Reaction. The blog owner is a Canadian government type with a good readership up there. I hope it will help some. Libby --- "Patrick K. Kroupa" wrote: > > If you have any interest whatsoever regarding the > negative impact of > the War on Consciousness; I meant to say DRUGS -- > PLEASE take the > time to check out the following link, and take some > sort of action. > > http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4639.html > > Even if you're broke, you can write a letter or make > a phone call. > > Amongst his other projects, Marc Emery is the > founder of Iboga > Therapy House, and has devoted a tremendous amount > of his time, > effort and cashflow, to helping drug-dependent > individuals obtain > free access to ibogaine. > > His extradition hearing has been scheduled to begin > on November 5th, > 2007. > > If you support drug-reform, harm reduction, or basic > human liberty > and freedom of choice, please take a few minutes and > do whatever you > can. > > Thanks, > > Patrick > > > > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands > :::::::: (]=- > (][%] ::: > http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: > [%][) > -=[) ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe > ::::: (]=- > Libby Spencer Detroit News blog http://info.detnews.com/weblog/ The Impolitic http://theimpolitic.blogspot.com/ The Newshoggers http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/ The Reaction http://www.the-reaction.blogspot.com/ Last One Speaks http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From rlake at mapinc.org Sat Sep 22 12:59:07 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:59:07 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US: Collecting of Details on Travelers Documented Message-ID: <20070922170017.BZHT14098.aarprv06.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: "My second reaction was, that's illegal." John Gilmore Pubdate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 Source: Washington Post (DC) Page: A01, Front Page Copyright: 2007 The Washington Post Company Contact: letters at washpost.com Website: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/491 Author: Ellen Nakashima, Washington Post Staff Writer Note: Researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report. Cited: Identity Project http://www.papersplease.org Cited: Electronic Frontier Foundation http://www.eff.org COLLECTING OF DETAILS ON TRAVELERS DOCUMENTED U.S. Effort More Extensive Than Previously Known The U.S. government is collecting electronic records on the travel habits of millions of Americans who fly, drive or take cruises abroad, retaining data on the persons with whom they travel or plan to stay, the personal items they carry during their journeys, and even the books that travelers have carried, according to documents obtained by a group of civil liberties advocates and statements by government officials. The personal travel records are meant to be stored for as long as 15 years, as part of the Department of Homeland Security's effort to assess the security threat posed by all travelers entering the country. Officials say the records, which are analyzed by the department's Automated Targeting System, help border officials distinguish potential terrorists from innocent people entering the country. But new details about the information being retained suggest that the government is monitoring the personal habits of travelers more closely than it has previously acknowledged. The details were learned when a group of activists requested copies of official records on their own travel. Those records included a description of a book on marijuana that one of them carried and small flashlights bearing the symbol of a marijuana leaf. The Automated Targeting System has been used to screen passengers since the mid-1990s, but the collection of data for it has been greatly expanded and automated since 2002, according to former DHS officials. Officials yesterday defended the retention of highly personal data on travelers not involved in or linked to any violations of the law. But civil liberties advocates have alleged that the type of information preserved by the department raises alarms about the government's ability to intrude into the lives of ordinary people. The millions of travelers whose records are kept by the government are generally unaware of what their records say, and the government has not created an effective mechanism for reviewing the data and correcting any errors, activists said. The activists alleged that the data collection effort, as carried out now, violates the Privacy Act, which bars the gathering of data related to Americans' exercise of their First Amendment rights, such as their choice of reading material or persons with whom to associate. They also expressed concern that such personal data could one day be used to impede their right to travel. "The federal government is trying to build a surveillance society," said John Gilmore, a civil liberties activist in San Francisco whose records were requested by the Identity Project, an ad-hoc group of privacy advocates in California and Alaska. The government, he said, "may be doing it with the best or worst of intentions. . . . But the job of building a surveillance database and populating it with information about us is happening largely without our awareness and without our consent." Gilmore's file, which he provided to The Washington Post, included a note from a Customs and Border Patrol officer that he carried the marijuana-related book "Drugs and Your Rights." "My first reaction was I kind of expected it," Gilmore said. "My second reaction was, that's illegal." DHS officials said this week that the government is not interested in passengers' reading habits, that the program is transparent, and that it affords redress for travelers who are inappropriately stymied. "I flatly reject the premise that the department is interested in what travelers are reading," DHS spokesman Russ Knocke said. "We are completely uninterested in the latest Tom Clancy novel that the traveler may be reading." But, Knocke said, "if there is some indication based upon the behavior or an item in the traveler's possession that leads the inspection officer to conclude there could be a possible violation of the law, it is the front-line officer's duty to further scrutinize the traveler." Once that happens, Knocke said, "it is not uncommon for the officer to document interactions with a traveler that merited additional scrutiny." He said that he is not familiar with the file that mentions Gilmore's book about drug rights, but that generally "front-line officers have a duty to enforce all laws within our authority, for example, the counter-narcotics mission." Officers making a decision to admit someone at a port of entry have a duty to apply extra scrutiny if there is some indication of a violation of the law, he said. The retention of information about Gilmore's book was first disclosed this week in Wired News. Details of how the ATS works were disclosed in a Federal Register notice last November. Although the screening has been in effect for more than a decade, data for the system in recent years have been collected by the government from more border points, and also provided by airlines -- under U.S. government mandates -- through direct electronic links that did not previously exist. The DHS database generally includes "passenger name record" (PNR) information, as well as notes taken during secondary screenings of travelers. PNR data -- often provided to airlines and other companies when reservations are made -- routinely include names, addresses and credit-card information, as well as telephone and e-mail contact details, itineraries, hotel and rental car reservations, and even the type of bed requested in a hotel. The records the Identity Project obtained confirmed that the government is receiving data directly from commercial reservation systems, such as Galileo and Sabre, but also showed that the data, in some cases, are more detailed than the information to which the airlines have access. Ann Harrison, the communications director for a technology firm in Silicon Valley who was among those who obtained their personal files and provided them to The Post, said she was taken aback to see that her dossier contained data on her race and on a European flight that did not begin or end in the United States or connect to a U.S.-bound flight. "It was surprising that they were gathering so much information without my knowledge on my travel activities, and it was distressing to me that this information was being gathered in violation of the law," she said. James P. Harrison, director of the Identity Project and Ann Harrison's brother, obtained government records that contained another sister's phone number in Tokyo as an emergency contact. "So my sister's phone number ends up being in a government database," he said. "This is a lot more than just saying who you are, your date of birth." Edward Hasbrouck, a civil liberties activist who was a travel agent for more than 15 years, said that his file contained coding that reflected his plan to fly with another individual. In fact, Hasbrouck wound up not flying with that person, but the record, which can be linked to the other passenger's name, remained in the system. "The Automated Targeting System," Hasbrouck alleged, "is the largest system of government dossiers of individual Americans' personal activities that the government has ever created." He said that travel records are among the most potentially invasive of records because they can suggest links: They show who a traveler sat next to, where they stayed, when they left. "It's that lifetime log of everywhere you go that can be correlated with other people's movements that's most dangerous," he said. "If you sat next to someone once, that's a coincidence. If you sat next to them twice, that's a relationship." Stewart Verdery, former first assistant secretary for policy and planning at DHS, said the data collected for ATS should be considered "an investigative tool, just the way we do with law enforcement, who take records of things for future purposes when they need to figure out where people came from, what they were carrying and who they are associated with. That type of information is extremely valuable when you're trying to thread together a plot or you're trying to clean up after an attack." Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff in August 2006 said that "if we learned anything from Sept. 11, 2001, it is that we need to be better at connecting the dots of terrorist-related information. After Sept. 11, we used credit-card and telephone records to identify those linked with the hijackers. But wouldn't it be better to identify such connections before a hijacker boards a plane?" Chertoff said that comparing PNR data with intelligence on terrorists lets the government "identify unknown threats for additional screening" and helps avoid "inconvenient screening of low-risk travelers." Knocke, the DHS spokesman, added that the program is not used to determine "guilt by association." He said the DHS has created a program called DHS Trip to provide redress for travelers who faced screening problems at ports of entry. But DHS Trip does not allow a traveler to challenge an agency decision in court, said David Sobel, senior counsel with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which has sued the DHS over information concerning the policy underlying the ATS. Because the system is exempted from certain Privacy Act requirements, including the right to "contest the content of the record," a traveler has no ability to correct erroneous information, Sobel said. Zakariya Reed, a Toledo firefighter, said in an interview that he has been detained at least seven times at the Michigan border since fall 2006. Twice, he said, he was questioned by border officials about "politically charged" opinion pieces he had published in his local newspaper. The essays were critical of U.S. policy in the Middle East, he said. Once, during a secondary interview, he said, "they had them printed out on the table in front of me." From rlake at mapinc.org Sat Sep 22 13:53:55 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:53:55 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US FL: Column: At Long Last, Free Man Can Look Up Message-ID: <20070922175423.CWEQ14098.aarprv06.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: http://www.november.org Pubdate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 Source: Tampa Tribune (FL) Webpage: http://www.tbo.com/news/columnists/danielruth/MGBC020HV6F.html Copyright: 2007 The Tribune Co. Contact: http://www.tbo.com/news/opinion/submissionform.htm Website: http://www.tampatrib.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/446 Author: Daniel Ruth Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/people/Richard+Paey Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?232 (Chronic Pain) AT LONG LAST, FREE MAN CAN LOOK UP Sitting in the prison van taking him from the Tomoka Correctional Institution to his home, his wife, his salvation in Hudson, Richard Paey began to experience something odd , something he hadn't noticed about himself the past four years of his life. "In prison, no one ever looks up," Paey said. "Inmates rarely look up at the sun." Now, sitting in the van, Richard Paey found himself gazing out the window, and slowly he began to raise his eyes as the landscape passed by. "I looked out the window and saw - things," Paey said softly. "The sun seemed brighter. The air seemed fresher. I had to look up." And life, at long last, seemed more just. Only hours earlier, the 48-year-old Paey was more commonly known as Florida Department of Corrections offender R29228, a convicted drug trafficker not scheduled to be free until Jan. 22, 2028. About four years ago, in an egregious exercise of prosecutorial abuse that makes a Star Chamber seem like an Edwardian era exercise in gentility, Paey was convicted in Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court of seven counts of possession and trafficking in a controlled substance by fraud - namely oxycodone and hydrocodone - leading to a 25-year prison sentence. But this defendant was hardly the Al Capone of the Americans With Disabilities Act. Paey, then in leg braces and using crutches to get around, was a man in extreme, excruciating, unrelenting pain, the result of severe back injuries sustained in a car accident, a botched surgery and the onset of multiple sclerosis. Job was more happy-go-lucky. Not a shred of evidence was produced proving Paey ever sold and/or shared his pain medications with others, which the defendant always maintained were legally obtained from his physician with a prescription. Indeed, the eagle-eyed detectives and prosecutors never provided evidence that Paey forged prescriptions. Still, despite a weaker case than the trial of Socrates, it was off to the hoosegow for Paey, who was now using a wheelchair and fitted with a morphine pump, which administered, at state expense, more drugs than the inmate had been convicted of illegally possessing. Pain and Insanity During his years in prison, Richard Paey become an international cause celebre not only for a better understanding of pain management in America, but also against certifiably insane sentencing guidelines, which would condemn a very sick, infirm man to a de facto life sentence. While even the 2nd District Court of Appeal sympathized with Paey's clearly dubious sentence, it eventually fell to the state clemency board, made up of Gov. Charlie Crist, Chief Financial Officer Alex Sink, Attorney General Bill McCollum and Agricultural Commissioner Charles Bronson, to trump the cruel intractability of the criminal justice system with some simple common decency. John P. Flannery II, Paey's lawyer, in a powerfully written petition before the clemency board, summed up his client's predicament, noting, "Finally, in a civilized society, we do not punish individuals who are sick simply because they are sick and because they require medical treatment - whether it is prescription drugs or anything else." As well, Flannery said the mission before the board was to argue, "This was a case where the law got it wrong." He added, "We wanted to tell the board: You can trust this guy not to embarrass you." Apparently, Flannery more than made his point. A Good Day Crist moved, not only to grant clemency, but a full pardon, which was unanimously approved. "They call it justice," the governor said. "That's what we're doing here today. We aim to right a wrong and exercise compassion, and to do it with grace." Richard Paey began the day a felon. By sunset he was an innocent man. Back at the prison, a bit of chaos ensued. Pardons of incarcerated prisoners are so rare, no one knew exactly how to process Paey's release. And in one final cruel joke, before he was informed he would be freed, Paey was rolled in his wheelchair to sit in front of an intake office, which processes prisoners into the system. How amusing. "I was having a mild coronary," Paey said. In the van, on the way home to his family, the corrections officers transporting Paey, never having seen a pardon before, passed the paperwork back and forth between them in amazement. Finally, the long trip ended in Hudson with a reunion with his college-sweetheart wife and daughters and mother - and a pepperoni pizza. Resumption Of Freedom By Friday morning, after his first night back in his own bed, Paey was busy on the phone trying to get his pardon papers returned from Tomoka. Amid all the excitement, harried prison officials had forgotten to make copies of all the paperwork - including the pardon decree. And now what? "I'd like to disappear into anonymity," Paey said. "But I feel a responsibility to all the people who helped me keep this issue alive. "They gave me a human side in the eyes of the public," Paey said, adding he would like to get involved in increasing awareness of pain management. It's an acute issue, especially with more injured veterans returning from Iraq with significant pain-management problems. "I get letters from veterans all the time," Paey said. "I'm gonna help as much as I can." Paey was very kind in thanking this space for helping to tell his story. But ultimately, Richard Paey is a free man today because truth eventually triumphed over prosecutorial bullies and because Charlie Crist and the Cabinet saw a miscarriage of justice and demanded compassion. It was a good day for Richard Paey. It was a great day to look up - into the Florida sun. From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Sat Sep 22 14:16:17 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:16:17 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] What You Can Learn From O.J. Message-ID: <02ae01c7fd44$abb7c760$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> ...the point is that this case is another reminder of how the state operates and treats people, and that it's a far more dangerous predator to peaceful, civilized people than O.J. Simpson and his ilk could ever hope to be. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/kramer3.html What You Can Learn From O.J. by Johnny Kramer by Johnny Kramer O.J. Simpson's latest legal troubles have dominated the news this week. The truth about what happened may never be ascertained, because all of the evidence is circumstantial and it's a classic "he said, he said" story. According to the police report, an acquaintance of Simpson's, auction house owner Tom Riccio, found out somehow that two Las Vegas sports memorabilia dealers had items that he believed belonged to Simpson, and he informed Simpson of this. Simpson came to Las Vegas from his home in Florida last week for a wedding, so he decided to retrieve his items while he was there. Conspiring with Simpson, Riccio lured the two dealers to a motel room last Thurs., Sept. 13, by saying he had a buyer looking to spend a lot of money on Simpson items. As they waited for the "buyer," Simpson burst into the room with several men, including two brandishing guns from the onset; upon entering the room, one of the armed men claimed to be a police officer. They frisked the two memorabilia dealers for weapons, then Simpson instructed his accomplices on what to take as he berated the two dealers for stealing from him. (Neither the police report nor any of the news reports have made it clear why Riccio thought the items were Simpson's; why Simpson thought the items were his, other than based on the say-so of Riccio; or how the dealers allegedly stole the items, or from where or when.) After Simpson and his accomplices left, the two dealers called the police and reported the incident. The next day, Simpson was questioned in his hotel room by the police. He admitted the details of the incident, including taking what he estimated as $100,000 worth of memorabilia. But he asserted that he had not committed an armed robbery, but was just retrieving his own property that had been stolen from him. Simpson also admitted to the Associated Press that day that he conducted his own "sting operation" the night before. "Everybody knows this is stolen stuff," Simpson told the AP. "Not only wasn't there a break-in, but Riccio came to the lobby and escorted us up to the room. In any event, it's stolen stuff that's mine. Nobody was roughed up." According to the victims, Simpson promised the victims that, after going through the items, he would leave anything he believed not to be his for them at the hotel's front desk, which tends to validate Simpson's version of the story. In spite of Simpson's claims, he was charged with one misdemeanor and 10 felonies. Even when he was arrested Sunday, Simpson continued talking to the police, and his demeanor with them, in the car driving to the jail, was described by them as "chatty and amicable." (Simpson likely tried to retrieve the items himself, rather than going to police, because he lost a $30 million-plus civil judgment to the family of Ron Goldman, one of the two people he was acquitted of killing in his criminal trial. Almost all of that remains unpaid, and any of Simpson's income, aside from his pensions and residence, are supposed to be seized by the California court to help pay down the debt.) It's understandable that many have little sympathy for Simpson, whom they believe (probably correctly) got away in 1995 with brutally killing two innocent people the previous year. It's even more difficult to feel sorry for Simpson when it's so obvious that he's an arrogant, likely-sociopath with poor judgment and poor impulse control. However, there are a number of lessons that this case illustrates about the nature of the state and its hegemonic relationship to its citizens. (Hopefully you'll never need this advice; if you do, please understand that this is for general information and that I'm not an attorney, and you should consult with one for any personal legal problems.) (Also, please understand that I am not advising anyone to break any law.) 1. It makes no difference whether you think you broke the law, nor does it matter what your reasons were for your conduct. Prosecutors arbitrarily determine, on a case-by-case basis, whether any laws have been broken, what laws have been broken, whether to file charges, what charges to file, and how many charges to file. While there are probably some fair prosecutors who truly believe they're pursing justice for victims, many prosecutors are corrupt. You may have charges piled on you because the prosecutor has political ambitions; because he or she is having financial, medical or marital problems and needs someone to take it out on; or because he or she is just in a bad mood that day. As Michael Nifong showed, some prosecutors will even go after people they know are innocent, if they think they can get away with it. Prosecutors also often pile on as many charges as they can, because that makes it more likely that the defendant will accept a plea bargain, to have some charges dropped in exchange for pleading guilty to others. The vast majority of criminal cases in the U.S. end this way, never making it to a jury trial. For a great example of this, see Rudy Giuliani's despicable persecution of Michael Milken. Over one incident, lasting probably two or three minutes, Simpson has been charged with one misdemeanor: conspiracy to commit a crime, and 10 felonies: conspiracy to commit kidnapping; conspiracy to commit robbery; first degree kidnapping with use of a deadly weapon; burglary while in possession of a deadly weapon; robbery with use of a deadly weapon; assault with a deadly weapon; and coercion with use of a deadly weapon (the total comes out to 10 because some charges have more than one count). This is clearly a case of piling on charges, although it may not be unusual. "Conspiracy" laws are ludicrous. Yes, every case has to be judged on its own, and there are mitigating factors, such as whether something was planned or committed in the heat of the moment. But, in a free society, there should be only two standards for illegality: That someone's body or property has been violated, and that there's a victim (or his or her beneficiaries, in the case of murder) filing a complaint. In theory, conspiracy laws make it possible for the government to prosecute people for planning crimes that never even occurred, and I'm sure that has happened. But their main function is to allow prosecutors to double charges. In reading the criminal complaint, the burglary charge involves entering a location with intent to steal, while robbery involves the actual stealing (and probably that the victims were present). So they're basically the same thing. The kidnapping charges are quite serious, and it's not clear from either the criminal complaint or any news reports that either of the victims were forcibly removed anywhere. So these charges seem dubious. According to the description of the assault with a deadly weapon charges, no actual assault took place; the intruders just made the victims fear that they might be assaulted. The coercion with a deadly weapon charge involves forcing the victims to give up their property. So it's also hard to distinguish this from the actual robbery. While I'm not accusing the DA of this, it's reasonable to wonder whether he piled these charges on Simpson because he, too, believes that Simpson got away with murder 12 years ago - and, since the constitution forbids double jeopardy, he's trying to put Simpson away for life as retribution for the state. Of course, prosecuting this case will also make him a superstar. 2. You have nothing to gain, and a great deal to lose, by "cooperating" with the "authorities." The government is not your friend, especially if you or someone you care about is being investigated for a possible crime. There are numerous points to make here: A) If you think what's being investigated is too minor to worry about, re-read rule one. You won't decide whether charges will be filed, what those charges will be, or how many they will be; or what the sentence will be if you or your loved one is convicted. Something you admit to that you didn't think was illegal could turn out to be a severe misdemeanor; something you thought was a misdemeanor could turn out to be a felony - or five or ten. B) If the police had enough evidence to arrest you or get a search warrant, you'd already be arrested or they'd already be searching. They're fishing for a confession or for you to lead them to evidence to obtain an arrest or search warrant. You can't be forced to talk without a subpoena, so volunteer nothing, shut the door in their faces and immediately call your attorney. C) Don't think you have nothing to fear because you're innocent; the Duke lacrosse players were innocent, and they almost went to prison for life. D) You will not gain "brownie points," such as reducing charges or your sentence, by cooperating. The best thing to do is to make it as hard as possible for the state to bring charges in the first place. E) Don't believe the police if they make promises about what you'll be charged with or what your sentence will be, if only you'll cooperate. They have no say in such matters; they gather evidence and present it to the prosecutor, who determines whether to file charges, and if so, what charges to file. Upon conviction, the judge imposes sentence based on the sentencing guidelines enacted by the state legislature (or Congress, in the case of federal crimes). F) If you are arrested, the advice is the same: Volunteer nothing and demand to speak to your attorney. 3. The state is a predator looking out for its own interests, not yours - even if you're the victim of a crime. When someone is charged with a crime, they're being charged because they broke one of the state's laws, not because they violated someone's property rights. Today, of course, many crimes (like drug possession) have nothing to do with property rights; if anything, the state is the one violating the defendant's property rights (such as by confiscating drugs that the defendant paid for and owns). That's not a trivial distinction. Generally, civil courts exist to avenge victims; criminal courts exist to avenge the state. Prosecutors even sometimes go forward with trials against the alleged victim's wishes. The state likes to have as many laws as possible, to charge as many people as possible, so it can employ as many judges, prosecutors, social workers, police, guards, etc. as possible. This has nothing to do with justice or making the victim whole; it has only to do with justifying the state's existence and enriching those who work for it or with it. It also "punishes" those it successfully convicts for its own purposes, so politicians can appear to be "tough on crime" and so it can continue to create jobs, make money and pay off political debts through expanding its prison-industrial complex. In the Simpson case, he and his accomplices are alleged to have stolen about $100,000 worth of merchandise. It appears that the entire incident lasted a couple of minutes and that no one was physically assaulted. Assuming he's convicted of all 11 charges, Simpson will go to prison for at least 60 years (in other words, for the rest of his life). While the victims will likely get at least some of the merchandise back, no rational, reasonable person could think this is a fitting punishment - not the least of which is due to the victims suffering the indignity of being forced to help pay with their tax dollars to feed, clothe and house their assailants for the rest of their assailants' lives. In a system of competing, private courts, the one goal would be making the victims whole (in other words, satisfying their paying customers). In a case like Simpson's, a private court would seek to determine who is the rightful owner of the property, and that the owner obtained it (or was compensated if it was missing or destroyed) and received any damages, and that the thief pay the bill. (While this is obvious with property crimes such as this, where the defendant would have to pay for what was stolen, damaged or destroyed, it could work for bodily crimes as well.) Losing defendants who couldn't pay would have their wages garnished, through innovative market means of which we can't conceive, until their debts were paid. This would motivate them to work harder to regain their freedom, and it would literally be a system in which crime didn't pay. (Yes, there are chronic violent criminals, like serial killers, who are not fit to be free among peaceful, civilized people. I don't know what innovations the market would come up with to handle such cases, but it couldn't work any worse than what the state. Besides, such cases are rare; while they're tragic, they don't justify the existence of the state.) In contrast, the state strives to lock up as many people as possible for as long as possible, and for its own purposes - not for those of the victims (when there even are any). Conclusion Let me reiterate that this is not a defense of O.J. Simpson or his conduct. He may well be a double-murderer (and, if so, his trial is another example of a failure of the state). And, even if the items he retrieved in this latest incident were his, there's no question he went about things in a wrong and criminal way. And, again, he appears to be an all-around bad human being with poor judgment and anger control, and who probably has a sociopathic personality. But that's not the point; the point is that this case is another reminder of how the state operates and treats people, and that it's a far more dangerous predator to peaceful, civilized people than O.J. Simpson and his ilk could ever hope to be. September 21, 2007 Johnny Kramer [send him mail] writes from Wichita, KS. Copyright ? 2007 LewRockwell.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070922/da1d9b12/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Taser deaths are skyrocketing because the police have been ordered to use "pain compliance", otherwise known as torture, to subdue and oppress the citizenry. It is time for police to remember that their duty is to protect the general public from criminals and not act as enforcers for a tyrannical police state. http://www.youtube.com/v/VP_M8s0GFEc Americans To Be Tortured For Refusing To Show ID? A horror video that wouldn't look out of place in Maoist China or Nazi Germany shows a student being repeatedly shot with a stun gun by UCLA police for the crime of not showing his ID. As similar cases begin to pile up how long will it be before Americans are routinely tortured for noncompliance and refusing to have their 4th amendment violated? http://www.youtube.com/v/r7Qef8oPmag Student Tasered For Asking A Question Andrew Meyer was grabbed by cops after he asked the former presidential candidate why he didn't challenge the rigged election of 2004 and about his membership of the skull and bones secret society. Meyer asked police what he was being arrested for as they dragged him to the back of the University Auditorium before manhandling him to the ground. Only when Meyer was immobile and had five officers on top of him did the police decide to send 50,000 volts of electricity coursing through his prostrate body, seemingly waiting until Meyer begged them not to do it so as to enjoy the maximum power trip from administrating the torture. Police Beat Town Councilman Then Arrest Him For Assault Roseland town council member David Snyder is calling for the resignation of a town marshal after a fight at Friday night's meeting. Snyder says while he was being arrested, he became a victim of police brutality. WATCH THE VIDEO http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=8027854162700568157&hl=en-CA Remember that cop who shot the Air Force veteran three times for obeying his order? He was acquitted on all counts. A San Bernardino County jury Thursday acquitted a former sheriff's deputy of attempted voluntary manslaughter for opening fire on an unarmed, off-duty Air Force police officer after a high-speed chase last year, a brutal shooting videotaped by a bystander and aired nationwide. Officer On Leave After Woman Tasered The Warren Police Department is under fire for another accusation of abuse of force. The latest incident happened during a September second arrest in the parking lot of a popular nightclub. WATCH THE VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/v/k6BsZUuZmr4 Police Repeatedly Beat Old Man NYPD thugs repeatedly beat an old man in the head for the crime of "intoxication". http://www.youtube.com/v/gxgdzOdaNtM Militarized Police Storm Utah Rave, Beat Partygoers Armed with assault rifles and tear gas, the police used dogs to sweep the crowd for narcotics. At least one helicopter was used in the operation. The scale of the police response was apparently due to the ineffectiveness of a smaller force used in the previous "Sequence Five" rave. Prior to dispersing the partiers, several police informants had reportedly infiltrated the rave and observed widespread illegal activities. http://www.youtube.com/v/pGg4JNKUCvo Police Attack Video Journalist, Steal His Camera I was attacked by the New York Police Department, who broke my camera AND stole it... as well as my footage. http://www.youtube.com/v/aFUpa0OwlyU Cops Choke Kids For Skateboarding Cop flips on kids for skating downtown in Hot Springs Arkansas. Jarad Graham, Drew Irwin, Skylar Nalls, Matt McCormack, Robbie Brindley, & Casey Canterbury get arrested. http://www.youtube.com/v/u2mTLJi6rHo Clay County Woman Shocked With Taser Dies The family of a Clay County woman who died after being shocked with a Taser by police plan to seek justice. An attorney for the family of Emily Delafield said they plan to sue Green Cove Springs Police for the woman's death. She was shocked nearly a dozen times during a confrontation with officers. http://www.youtube.com/v/W8WijDe5BhQ 28 seconds : The Killing of Fouad Kaady In the early afternoon of September 8, 2005, police encountered Fouad Kaady shortly after he was in an accident that left him in shock and bleeding, burned over much of his body. Rather than calling for medical help, the police commanded him to lie on the pavement, even though they could see the burned flesh hanging from his body, and even though they said he appeared to be "in a catatonic state." When he did not comply with their orders, but instead continued to sit on the ground in a daze, they tasered him repeatedly. And then, they shot him to death. In a report that was typical of the corporate media's response to this killing, Channel 8's ever-mealy-mouthed Kyle Iboshi held up a wad of papers left over from the "investigation" into the death, saying, "you can see how extensive this investigation was." He then commenced to highlight (literally, with a yellow highlighter pen) what he claimed to be the relevant details of the case. Not surprisingly, Iboshi was very selective in what he chose to focus on. He accepted, without question, everything that the PIO had told him to say. He never asked a single question about why two officers might have shot an obviously unarmed man to death. And, he concluded his report by implying that Kaady must have been "on drugs" at the time of the killing, as if that might excuse the officers' behavior. And so, in a pattern of violence that is repeated almost every day in this country, the police got away with murder. So far, anyway. They did so because they have the power and the authority to carry guns and to use them, and to avoid facing the consequences of their actions. And, they got away with it because the complicit corporate media helped them to weave a story that would lull the public into silence. As in so many incidents like this one, they told a story that was engineered to cause people to blame the victim, and accept the violence. No questions asked. The truth about what happened to Fouad Kaady is important. It's important to bear witness when a member of our community is cut down like this. It's important to stand up for the person he might have been, rather than accepting the media's portrayal of him as merely some drug-crazed monster who "had it coming." It's important to know just how deep the culture of police violence runs through our cities and towns, and just how fist-in-glove the corporate media has been with the police state. And that's why this video is important. Even if you think you know the story, you're not going to believe this. Over the course of a year and a half, Videoistas painfully and meticulously gathered evidence, combed through records and reports, spoke with witnesses, and pieced together the real story. It's much more disturbing than what you might have seen on KATU, but it's the truth. And the least we can do for a fallen comrade is to take the time to learn the truth about what really happened to him. Believe it or not, this story is told in the officers' own words. And you won't even believe what you hear. This video is of The Portland Indymedia video Collective and does not represent or speak for the kaady family. http://www.youtube.com/v/3qsou7p57Nk Officers involved in bar room fight As many as five Jefferson County Sheriff's deputies have been suspended with pay because of a bar room brawl early Thursday morning, said Sheriff Oliver "Glenn" Boyer. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/210907_b_brutality.htm __._,_.___ Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 9253 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070922/4b9f8929/attachment-0001.jpeg From rlake at mapinc.org Sat Sep 22 20:31:43 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:31:43 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Mexico: Mexican Official Wants Army Out of Drug War Message-ID: <20070923003217.CAJJ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: Kirk Pubdate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 Source: Houston Chronicle (TX) Page: Front Page Copyright: 2007 Houston Chronicle Publishing Company Division, Hearst Newspaper Contact: viewpoints at chron.com Website: http://www.chron.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/198 Authors: Dudley Althaus and Dane Schiller Note: Althaus reported from Mexico City; Schiller from Houston. Referenced: The GAO report http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d071018.pdf Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topics/Mexico (Mexico) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/people/Felipe+Calderon Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?236 (Corruption - Outside U.S.) MEXICAN OFFICIAL WANTS ARMY OUT OF DRUG WAR MEXICO CITY - Dealing a blow to President Felipe Calderon's campaign against organized crime, the country's top human rights official called Friday for pulling the Mexican army out of the drug war. Jose Luis Soberanes, head of the government's National Human Rights Commission, said his investigators had confirmed cases of serious abuses by soldiers involved in the campaign, including rapes, tortures, robberies and murders. He said the army isn't trained for the work and called for a gradual military withdrawal from what he said should be a civilian police action. There was no immediate response from Calderon's office. Soberanes' report outlined abuses in four locations in the last year. They include: . A mass rape of 14 women, one of whom later miscarried, in the border state of Coahuila in retaliation for local police's brief arrest of a soldier. . A May 2007 incident in central Michoacan state village in which soldiers seeking information about drug traffickers entered houses without warrants, tied up residents and raped two women and sexually assaulted two minors. . Another incident following a fatal ambush of an army patrol in the same state in May in which soldiers tortured seven civilians and a child. . A June 1 incident in which soldiers shot and killed three women and two children in a pickup that they said had failed to stop at a nighttime checkpoint on a rural road in the Pacific Coast state of Sinaloa. Soberanes said investigators found no evidence of an actual checkpoint but that the soldiers were simply camping along the road and opened fire on the truck when it passed. "A policeman is trained to deal daily with citizens," Soberanes said, "and in necessary cases uses gradual and measured force. A soldier, because of the delicate nature of his task, is physically and mentally trained to fight enemies and obey orders." Soberanes drew sharp criticism last spring for disagreeing with human rights officials and leftist politicians in Veracruz state who claimed that soldiers had raped and murdered a 73-year-old indigenous woman. He said his investigators had found the woman appeared to have died of ulcers. He did not mention that case Friday. Despite calling for the army's withdrawal, Soberanes said any pullout should be slow, because troops make up the only effective public security force in many violence-plagued areas. Faced with underworld violence claiming hundreds of lives a year, Calderon ordered a stepped-up army offensive against drug traffickers last September. Thousands of troops were sent into Michoacan, Sinaloa and other drug producing states as well as to points along the border. The moves have been met with overwhelmingly popular approval - some polls report 85 percent of Mexicans favor them. Officials say the offensive has led to a sharp drop in gangland killings in recent months. Soldiers are thought less susceptible to corruption because they can be shifted quickly from one part of the country to another and because they usually don't have family where they operate, said Pat Ward, deputy director of the White House's Office of National Drug Control Policy in Washington. "If you look at local law enforcement, state law enforcement, federal law enforcement and the military, you are more apt to corruption if you live there," Ward said. "That is where your family lives and where they can pull different levers to either entice you or force you down a particular path." A study released Thursday by the U.S. General Accountability Office, Congress' audit arm, found that by 2005 as much as 90 percent of the South American cocaine reaching U.S. consumers passed through Mexico. The amount of cocaine passing through Mexico keeps increasing, from 242 tons seven years ago to 507 tons last year, the report said. Mexican drug cartels - mainly four organizations - have grown more powerful, sophisticated and violent, the report said, and they operate with "relative impunity" along the U.S-Mexico border. "The sheer volume of this stuff coming across the southwest border is just staggering and even more so is the cash being made by these criminal organizations," said Steve Robertson, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration. "There is a battle here," Robertson said. "We are fighting it, and a war is only over when one side gives up." From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 20:16:26 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:16:26 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] The Debate On California's Pot Shops, Morley Safer Reports On Proposition 215 - CBS News Message-ID: <46F701DA.4000009@gmail.com> Discuss: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/20/60minutes/main3281715.shtml From rlake at mapinc.org Sun Sep 23 21:33:59 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:33:59 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US MA: Column: Life Sentence Message-ID: <20070924013435.WSSZ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: Guide to Grassroots Activism www.november.org/BottomsUp/ Pubdate: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 Source: Boston Globe (MA) Copyright: 2007 Globe Newspaper Company Contact: letter at globe.com Website: http://www.boston.com/globe/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/52 Author: Christopher Shea Note: Christopher Shea's column appears regularly in Ideas. Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/racial.htm (Racial Issues) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?244 (Sentencing - United States) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?199 (Mandatory Minimum Sentencing) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/prison.htm (Incarceration) LIFE SENTENCE It's A Government Program Whose Impact Rivals the New Deal. It Pushes Whole Communities Out of Society's Mainstream. It Costs Tens of Billions of Dollars a Year. Scholars Are Just Beginning to Understand How Prison Is Reshaping the Country. WHAT if America launched a new New Deal and no one noticed? And what if, instead of lifting the unemployed out of poverty, this multibillion-dollar project steadily drove poor communities further and further out of the American mainstream? That's how America should think about its growing prison system, some leading social scientists are saying, in research that suggests prisons have a far deeper impact on the nation than simply punishing criminals. Fueled by the war on drugs, "three-strike" laws, and mandatory minimum sentences, America's prisons and jails now house some 2.2 million inmates - roughly seven times the figure of the early 1970s. And Americans are investing vast resources to keep the system running: The cost to maintain American correctional institutions is some $60 billion a year. For years sociologists saw prisons - with their disproportionately poor, black, and uneducated populations - partly as mirrors of the social and economic disparities that cleave American life. Now, however, a new crop of books and articles are looking at the penal system not just as a reflection of society, but a force that shapes it. In this view, the system takes men with limited education and job skills and stigmatizes them in a way that makes it hard for them to find jobs, slashes their wages when they do find them, and brands them as bad future spouses. The effects of imprisonment ripple out from prisoners, breaking up families and further impoverishing neighborhoods, creating the conditions for more crime down the road. Prisons have grown into potent "engines of inequality," in the words of sociologist Bruce Western; the penal system, he and other scholars suggest, actively widens the gap between the poor - especially poor black men - and everyone else. "This is a historic transformation of the character of American society," says Glenn Loury, a Brown University economist who has begun to write on this topic, most recently in the Boston Review. "We are managing the losers by confinement." The shift isn't just academic. In national politics, concern about the people who actually go to prison has been drowned out by tough-on-crime rhetoric, but today the issue is getting a hearing from some politicians, and not just hard-left liberals. On Oct. 4, Congress's Joint Economic Committee will hear testimony from Western, Loury, and others on the economic and social costs of the prison boom. The session will be chaired by Jim Webb, the gruff, moderate Democratic Senator from Virginia. Cities including Boston and San Francisco are changing their hiring practices to destigmatize prisoners, and there is detectable momentum in Congress toward reducing the extraordinarily harsh minimum sentences for possession of crack cocaine, which disproportionately affect poor black Americans. The issue has arrived on the public agenda in part because of the work done by a handful of leading sociologists. Western's 2006 book "Punishment and Inequality in America" is a key work in this new scholarly movement. Devah Pager, a Princeton sociologist, has been making headlines since her dissertation, completed in 2002 at the University of Wisconsin, demonstrated how a criminal record - even for nonviolent drug offenses - made it nearly impossible for black ex-convicts in Milwaukee to land a job. This month, a book based on that work, "Marked: Race, Crime, and Finding Work in an Era of Mass Incarceration," appears in bookstores. And the sociologist Lawrence Bobo, who left Harvard for Stanford two years ago but is returning in January, has been investigating how the growing black prison population is eroding African-Americans' confidence in the rule of law. For years, the penal system was a marginal topic among sociologists, catching the interest chiefly of professors with an interest in hard-core criminology. But in the past decade, discussion of incarceration has moved to the center of the field, in the work of respected scholars at top institutions who are interested in a broad understanding of American inequality. "My sense of it is just that the sheer mass, the weight of the reality of what's happening, has sunk in," says Loury. With black men in their early 30s more likely to have been in prison than to have graduated from college, and with 700,000 ex-prisoners reentering society each year, the trends cannot be ignored. The current US rate of some 750 prisoners per 100,000 citizens is several times higher than rates in Europe - higher, even, than the rates in formerly repressive states like Russia or South Africa. In "Punishment and Inequality in America," Western documented the degree to which poor black communities across America live in a penitentiary shadow. Of black males born in the late 1960s who did not attend college, 30 percent have served time in prison, he pointed out. For high-school dropouts, the figure is a startling 59 percent. "I don't think the really deep penetration of the criminal justice system into poor and minority communities has been fully understood by people outside these communities," says Western. Mass incarceration, Western argues, also renders invisible a substantial portion of American poverty. At the height of the tech boom in 2000, he points out, 65 percent of black male high school dropouts weren't working. Government statistics, however, said the unemployment level of this group was 33 percent, because government surveys exclude prisoners. At the root of prison's broader social impact lies its lingering effect on individual lives. In an ideal penal system, prisoners might exit the system having paid their debt to society and be more or less restored to their previous status as free men and women. But Pager's book demonstrates just how detached from reality that view is. She had four college students, two black and two white, pose as applicants for low-level jobs in Milwaukee (excluding jobs where a criminal record would have disqualified them). They used resumes that were nearly identical - high school degrees, steady progress from entry-level work to a supervisory position - except that in some cases the applicant had a drug conviction in his past (possession with intent to distribute) for which he served an 18-month sentence and then behaved perfectly on parole. In surveys conducted by Pager, 62 percent of Milwaukee employers said they'd consider hiring an applicant with a nonviolent drug offense in his past. But in her field study, Pager found that her black applicants with criminal records got called for an interview - or to interview on the spot, as they applied in person - a mere 5 percent of the time. That compared with 14 percent for the black applicants without a criminal record. Meanwhile, the white applicants with a record were called back 17 percent of the time, compared with 34 percent for the white men lacking the blotch on their resume. "Two strikes" - blackness and a record - "and you're out" is how Pager summarizes her findings. (Pager has replicated this study in New York City, with similar results.) Job prospects for black ex-prisoners in Milwaukee may be even worse in the future, Pager argues in "Marked," because while the vast majority of job growth is in the suburbs, the gap between employers' receptiveness to black and white ex-convicts is even wider there. Western explores the same set of post-prison issues on a broader statistical canvas. He found that whites, Hispanics, and blacks all face a hit in their wages of about a third, relative to their peers, when they emerge from prison, and also work fewer weeks per year. Their peers will see significant raises from ages 25 to 35, but the ex-prisoners won't, widening the gap. Former prisoners, too, are far less likely ever to marry, but no less likely to have kids, meaning that prisons contribute to the epidemic of female-headed, single-parent households. (Some 9 percent of all black children now have a father in jail.) Sociologists and a few politicians are not the only ones aware of these trends, argues Lawrence Bobo. Black Americans interpret them as evidence of stark racism, according to surveys he's done. Seventy-nine percent of white Americans, for example, think drug laws are enforced fairly, compared with 34 percent of black Americans. Black Americans' concerns about the justice system burst to the fore in Jena, La., last week when thousands protested prosecutors' tough treatment of six black teenagers after an assault on a white student. When Bobo looks broadly at black attitudes about the justice system, he doesn't find them irrational. "We as a society," Bobo wrote last year, "have normalized and, for the time being, depoliticized a remarkable set of social conditions." Policy makers are slowly beginning to reckon with some aspects of these developments. In 2004, President Bush, in his State of the Union address, acknowledged some of the challenges caused by mass incarceration, Pager points out, describing the hundreds of thousands exiting prisons annually as a "group of Americans in need of help." And this year liberals like Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del.) and conservatives like Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) have cosponsored the so-called Second Chance Act. It would provide $192 million for drug counseling, family counseling, housing, and mentorship for ex-offenders to assist their reentry into their communities. A handful of cities, including Boston, no longer ask applicants for city jobs whether they have a criminal record, although their backgrounds can still be checked later. A growing "Ban the Box" movement - referring to the check-off box on an application, signaling a conviction - is designed to reduce the kind of upfront discrimination Pager identifies. San Francisco and St. Paul have also signed off on the idea, while Los Angeles is pondering it. To these ideas, Pager would add a policy modeled on how we treat debtors: After a certain amount of time, records of most convictions, especially for nonviolent offenses, would be expunged. Stigma would have a deadline. Such proposals would do nothing to roll back prison populations, but bills introduced by Senators Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), and Biden to raise the amount of crack cocaine that triggers automatic five- and ten-year sentences might do so. (The possession of crack - typically a drug of the poor, and specifically the black poor - is penalized far more harshly than the powdered cocaine preferred by middle- and upper-class drug users.) Bruce Western advocates ending mandatory minimum sentences for drug conviction, and adds some further thoughts about reducing prison populations: "We could be spending money and social services to reduce the risks that make people likely to go to prison in the first place - on drug addiction, on mental-health services, on housing." In a campaign year, the prison issue is a tough one - such arguments don't have the easy pull on voters that "tough on crime" policies do. Yet with Congress calling prison experts to testify about their research, and coverage in the mainstream media of the protests in Jena, "I do sense there is a public conversation beginning," Western says. From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 22:06:46 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:06:46 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US MA: Column: Life Sentence In-Reply-To: <20070924013435.WSSZ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> References: <20070924013435.WSSZ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Message-ID: <46F71BB6.3060501@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070923/1aee8e58/attachment.htm From bob at cosy.com Mon Sep 24 02:31:14 2007 From: bob at cosy.com (Bob Armstrong) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:31:14 -0600 Subject: [DrugWar] US MA: Column: Life Sentence In-Reply-To: <46F71BB6.3060501@gmail.com> References: <20070924013435.WSSZ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> <46F71BB6.3060501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F759B2.2080107@cosy.com> The wellbeing of a society depends most fundamentally on the amount of goods produced per unit human time . The vision described may be entertaining , but flies in the face of the history of automation and innovation over the last 200 years . Nyc W. Alberts wrote: > It's not just criminals that are going to governmentally housed, as > automation takes over in the next decade, or so, millions will be thrown > out of work in the service sector, here's one probable scenario of what > will happen: > > http://marshallbrain.com/manna4.htm -- Bob Armstrong -- www.CoSy.com -- 719-337-2733 New upload : 4th.CoSy http://www.cosy.com/CoSy/ will be presented in tutorial at APL2007 , Montreal Oct 22 From digital at phantom.com Mon Sep 24 04:22:36 2007 From: digital at phantom.com (Patrick K. Kroupa) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:22:36 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] (no subject) Message-ID: <074490E8-3F90-4D5E-8B1F-4D7A625E7C19@phantom.com> If you've had a message you tried to post, that got kicked back to you, sorry. 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Alberts) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:23:50 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US MA: Column: Life Sentence In-Reply-To: <46F759B2.2080107@cosy.com> References: <20070924013435.WSSZ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> <46F71BB6.3060501@gmail.com> <46F759B2.2080107@cosy.com> Message-ID: <46F79036.2080005@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070924/8cbf346a/attachment.htm From bob at cosy.com Mon Sep 24 09:33:35 2007 From: bob at cosy.com (Bob Armstrong) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:33:35 -0600 Subject: [DrugWar] US MA: Column: Life Sentence In-Reply-To: <46F79036.2080005@gmail.com> References: <20070924013435.WSSZ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> <46F71BB6.3060501@gmail.com> <46F759B2.2080107@cosy.com> <46F79036.2080005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F7BCAF.2020003@cosy.com> Nyc W. Alberts wrote: > Bob Armstrong wrote: >> The wellbeing of a society depends most fundamentally on the amount of >> goods produced per unit human time . The vision described may be >> entertaining , but flies in the face of the history of automation and >> innovation over the last 200 years . >> > . > Corporations do not exist to make jobs, innovate, or create well being > in society, but to make money and profits for their shareholders. And the ONLY way they can make money is by producing something that others choose as the best possible exchange for their own resources . > The *reality* is is that this is being done right now, on many, many, > fronts: > > http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleprint/3422/-1/1/ What's your point here ? Are you against bar codes ? They clearly have made shopping and inventory control enormously more efficient and thereby freed up a hell of a lot time for both shoppers and businesses making costs lower all around . Glancing at this article it appears to say that RFID isn't quite competitive yet . What is evil is when government mandates such teks -- as they are now trying to do with every animal in the country . > http://samsedershow.com/node/1076 "imminent job losses in the millions" ( which your first article seems to say Best Buy doesn't think is so imminent ) means the same amount of goods and services will be produced with less labor . Always over the course of the last couple of hundred years , as production , distribution , etc , buggy whip makers , etc , have found other uses for their time - like for instance , reducing the work week . Of course , the amount of time consumed by the government in filling out reams of byzantine forms has grown to keep entire classes of accountants and lawyers employed . > And the next generation, ages 3 to 5, is already being trained to use > these emerging technologies: > http://tinyurl.com/yqjhhe What do you want , to revert to before National Cash Register replace the paper ledger in the general store ? Are you seeking abject poverty for the masses ? > Cars are more challenging than retail, but they're working on that one > at DARPA right now, 7 years ago they couldn't get anybody to finish a > simple, obstacle free course, now they're doing this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge#2007_Urban_Challenge > Matter of time until we eliminate truckers, cabbies and bus drivers. > We've already got automated airplanes in Iraq flying combat missions and > killing people by the push of a button, soon they'll be flying > trans-Atlantic flights. Gee , the autopilot is so evil . You must read different sci-fi than I . In the ones I read , the humans just tell the vehicle where to go and turn their seat to join the conversation with their passengers . > Automation will be seeing exponential growth in the service sector, over > the course of the next two decades, eliminating millions of jobs > overnight, (couple RFID with self-service customer service and check-out > and put them in every Wal-Mart, fast-food restaurant, and their > competitors, and that's a lot of cashiers, clerks and back-end people > *permanently* out of work), with no new jobs to replace them, in which > case we're going to need a lot of prison like environments to house the > unemployed. Has any of this happened yet ? The fact is that it is low tek "3rd world" and socialist countries like France that have large portions of unemployed . The US has had historically low unemployment for quite a long time . > This coming wave of automation in the marketplace is nothing like what > we saw in the Industrial Revolution in terms of how economically > disruptive it will be, especially for those who are already at the bottom. Bull ! The industrial revolution changed existence from majority rural agricultural high early death rate substance to a few percent rural and an amazing amount of "free" time . > Something will "have to be done" about them, and given our track record, > I'm betting on Gulags disguised as dormitories. You mean the ones who are too dumb to figure out something else useful to do with their time -- like actually make themselves a nicer place to live . Again , I repeat the foundational fact that human welfare depends directly on the ratio of the amount of goods produced per capita . If that increases , which MUST be the case for any innovation to be embraced ( except by governments who thrive on suppressing their populations ) , those goods will free up everybody to do such things as debate topics like this on obscure mail lists . -- Bob Armstrong -- www.CoSy.com -- 719-337-2733 New upload : 4th.CoSy http://www.cosy.com/CoSy/ will be presented in tutorial at APL2007 , Montreal Oct 22 From bob at cosy.com Mon Sep 24 09:47:36 2007 From: bob at cosy.com (Bob Armstrong) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:47:36 -0600 Subject: [DrugWar] US MA: Column: Life Sentence In-Reply-To: <46F7BCAF.2020003@cosy.com> References: <20070924013435.WSSZ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> <46F71BB6.3060501@gmail.com> <46F759B2.2080107@cosy.com> <46F79036.2080005@gmail.com> <46F7BCAF.2020003@cosy.com> Message-ID: <46F7BFF8.2000207@cosy.com> Re : RFID : FEE.org : A Chip Off Old Big Brother's Block http://www.fee.org/in_brief/default.asp?id=1586 -- Bob Armstrong -- www.CoSy.com -- 719-337-2733 New upload : 4th.CoSy http://www.cosy.com/CoSy/ will be presented in tutorial at APL2007 , Montreal Oct 22 From rlake at mapinc.org Mon Sep 24 13:07:46 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:07:46 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US CA: OPED: Spinning a Failed War on Drugs Message-ID: <20070924170813.CSKG1254.aa04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: JimmyG Pubdate: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 Source: San Francisco Chronicle (CA) Page: B - 5 Webpage: http://sfgate.com//cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/09/24/EDIBS5M69.DTL Copyright: 2007 Hearst Communications Inc. Contact: letters at sfchronicle.com Website: http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/388 Author: Bruce Mirken Note: Bruce Mirken, a longtime health journalist, serves as director of communications for the Marijuana Policy Project, www.mpp.org. To view the 2006 survey of drug use and health, go to www.oas.samhsa.gov/nsduhLatest.htm. To view the "monitoring the Future" survey, go to www.monitoringthefuture.org/pubs/monographs/overview2006.pdf SPINNING A FAILED WAR ON DRUGS Our government says we're winning the war on drugs. At a press conference to release results of the government's major annual drug use survey Sept. 6, both White House drug czar John Walters and Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt said so, with Walters touting "fewer teens using drugs today." Not quite. When you cut through the spin and look at the actual numbers, it's clear that Walters is again trying to fool the public - much as President Richard Nixon did back in 1972, when he first claimed we were "winning" the war on drugs. While drug-use rates reported in the just-released 2006 National Survey on Drug Use and Health are essentially unchanged from 2005, Walters and Leavitt touted declines in current teen use of illicit drugs since 2002, from 11.6 to 9.8 percent, and a parallel decline in current marijuana use from 8.2 to 6.7 percent. That sounds impressive - until you look at the long-term trends. If you go back another 10 years, to 1992, the rate of current teen use of illicit drugs was just 5.3 percent, and current marijuana use was at 3.4 percent. So while it edged down a bit in the last five years, teen drug use is actually nearly double what it was 15 years ago. Walters and Co. has an explanation for this, of course. They say that the methodology of the survey was changed in 2002, so you can't compare earlier figures with recent ones. But that claim is shaky, at best. First, not all experts agree that the changes in the survey were enough to drastically alter the results. Second, another government-funded survey of teen drug use that hasn't changed its methodology, called "Monitoring the Future," has documented strikingly similar trends. In the 2006 "Monitoring the Future" survey, released last December, 16.8 percent of 10th-graders reported using at least one illicit drug - a drop from 20.8 percent in 2002, but a substantial increase over the 11 percent rate in 1992. For marijuana, current use among 10th-graders soared from 8.1 percent in 1992 and 14.2 percent in 2006. None of this stopped Leavitt from claiming, "The trends in general are very encouraging." Do these people not read their own data? The fact is that Walters and colleagues have squandered well over a billion of our tax dollars on a failed ad campaign, mostly aimed at demonizing marijuana, and are desperate to show some results. So they cherry pick a few numbers that seem to make their case, and ignore the rest. And before you buy Walters' frequent claim that "we took our eye off the ball" fighting drug abuse in the '90s, don't forget that between 1991 and 2000, marijuana arrests skyrocketed from 282,000 to 734,497. But buried in the new national survey on drug use results are some fascinating and sometimes disturbing tidbits. The percentage of Americans who reported using illicit drugs in the past year or past month edged up slightly, and this increase was driven by jumps in use of some of the most dangerous drugs: cocaine, narcotic pain drugs, and stimulants (a category that includes methamphetamine). While most of the changes were small and not statistically significant, those that were significant are alarming. For example, among 14- to 15-year-olds, past-month use of deadly inhalants (glues, spray paints and solvents) rose significantly, as did past-month use of sedatives. This raises the disturbing possibility that scare campaigns focused on marijuana are driving kids to try drugs that are far more dangerous. The drug czar will never admit it, but the long-term picture is clear: Our drug policies don't work. The government's bizarre overemphasis on marijuana - a drug that is safer than such legal drugs as alcohol and tobacco - has had little effect on marijuana use, but may well be making our hard-drug problem worse. It's long past time we had policy based on facts, not spin. From tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca Mon Sep 24 14:30:00 2007 From: tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca (Tim Meehan) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:30:00 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] [Ibogaine] ListS In-Reply-To: <2BB3A579-C58B-45AA-A225-CC995D4662D4@phantom.com> References: <2BB3A579-C58B-45AA-A225-CC995D4662D4@phantom.com> Message-ID: <377DA362-092E-45B6-903F-7E49845D45EC@connect.carleton.ca> On 24-Sep-07, at 4:01 AM, Patrick K. Kroupa wrote: > If you've had a message you tried to post, that got kicked back to > you, sorry. It ain't the FBI, Secret Service, DEA, or Thought Police > this time, it's our OpenBSD firewall firing to life. The ro0Lz need > some, ahum, tuning. Please try again, it's not personal, it's not > THE MAN, mahn, it's just figuring out which of 10,000 different > settings can continue to cruise along in Insanely paranoiD mode, and > which ones need to be kicked back a few notches. Hey Patrick: Since switching my subs over to my school account from gmail, I'm now actually GETTING DrugWar-L and Ibogane-L again! Is there something about mindvox lists and gmail? Anyway, great to be receiving the traffic again. -Tim Meehan Carleton University Ottawa, Canada From tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca Mon Sep 24 14:36:56 2007 From: tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca (Tim Meehan) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:36:56 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US MA: Column: Life Sentence In-Reply-To: <46F79036.2080005@gmail.com> References: <20070924013435.WSSZ23773.aarprv04.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> <46F71BB6.3060501@gmail.com> <46F759B2.2080107@cosy.com> <46F79036.2080005@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 24-Sep-07, at 6:23 AM, Nyc W. Alberts wrote: > > And the next generation, ages 3 to 5, is already being trained to > use these emerging technologies: > http://tinyurl.com/yqjhhe Gee, the Fisher-Price cash register set I had as a kid never had a barcode scanner... And we used to use hardware store scrip as play money: http://www2.canadiantire.ca/CTenglish/ctmoney.html Still doesn't get me to shop there very often. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070924/f7464a0e/attachment.htm From secors_writing_service at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 10:06:29 2007 From: secors_writing_service at yahoo.com (Sharon Secor) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DrugWar] I am making a rare request for assistance Message-ID: <938978.75553.qm@web56915.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello All: As have many students, my son has been officially blacklisted by his school because his father and I have refused to allow his personal information to be given to military recruiters. Here are excerpts from the offical letter announcing his punishment: "Dear Parents/Guardians of Juniors and Seniors: Congress has passed two major pieces of legislation that require local education agencies (high schools) receiving assistance under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 to give military recruiters the same access to secondary school students as they provide to post secondary institutions or to prospective employers. Local education agencies are also required to provide students' names, addresses, and telephone listings to military recruiters, and higher education learning when requested. Under FERPA (Family Education Rights and Privacy Act), this letter provides notice to you of the types of student information that it releases publicly. This type of student information, commonly referred to as "directory information," includes the students' names, the names of the student's parents/guardians, the student's address, the student's date of birth and telephone numbers and is information generally not considered harmful or an invasion of privacy if disclosed. If you chose not to participate, your child's name will also not be able to appear in anything associated with this school such as the graduation program, honor roll list, sports programs and the annual yearbook." My son, like many others, is a frequent honor roll student, will not be able to be listed. Like many other students, if he does something noteworthy, the school newspaper cannot mention him. He may not be allowed to participate in graduation ceremonies. This is wrong on many levels. I am hoping that those of you that are against military recruitment in highschools and against this war will take a few minutes to e-mail his principal and school superintendent and express your opinion on this matter. Principal, Ms. Blowers blowersm at bpcsd.org Superintendent, Ms. Rojek rojeks at bpcsd.org Thank you in advance to those that do take the time to e-mail. I really do appreciate it. 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Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Wed Sep 26 00:11:12 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:11:12 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] Fw: Bloglines - OK to Strip Search 13-Year-Old Girl for . . . Ibuprofen? Message-ID: <01b501c7fff3$46a14b60$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> ----- Original Message ----- From: dquack at thegrid.net To: projectgrasp at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: pg: Bloglines - OK to Strip Search 13-Year-Old Girl for . . . Ibuprofen? Bloglines user quackn (dquack at thegrid.net) has sent this item to you. The California Blog of Appeal Practice and Legal Developments in the California Appellate Courts and the Ninth Circuit OK to Strip Search 13-Year-Old Girl for . . . Ibuprofen? By Greg May on search and seizure One look at thet blog headline and it?s no surprise Friday?s Ninth Circuit decision in Redding v. Safford USD #1, case no. 05-15759 (9th Cir. Sept. 21, 2007) has garnerd some attention in the legal blogosphere. Predictably, some of the reaction has been at a gut level. See, for example, California Appellate Report or Decision of the Day. This is a section 1983 action by the 13-year-old girl against the school officials and the district for an alleged violation of her Fourth Amendment rights by searching her for pills. The search was initiated after a student claimed to have become ill from some pills distributed by the plaintiff and pills identified as prescription-strength Ibuprofen were found in the possession of plaintiff?s friend. Plaintiff was searched by two female officials in a locked room. While she was asked to stretch out the waistband of her underwear and her bra, she was not required to remove them. The majority decision made logical sense to me ? notwithstanding my initial revulsion at the thought of strip-searching a 13-year-old girl ? for its straightforward analysis under New Jersey v. TLO (1985) 469 U.S. 325. The dissent, however, seems better reasoned and has more substantial precedential support. The dissent seems to start on an absolutist note: ?it does not require a constitutional scholar to conclude that a nude search of a 13-year-old child ia an invasion of constitutional rights of some magnitude. More than that: it is a violation of any known principle of human dignity.? Slip Op. at 12870 (dissenting opinion of Thomas, J.), quoting Calabretta v. Floyd (9th Cir. 1999) 189 F.3d 808. But Judge Thomas goes on to a very convincing TLO analysis. He concedes that some degree of search would have been permissible, but the search in question, which required the plaintiff to expose her pubic area and breasts, went over the line. The most thorough analysis I found on a blog is at California Criminal Lawyer Blog. There?s also news coverage at the Arizona Daily Star and Arizona Daily Sun. UPDATE (9/25/07): Adjunct Law Prog Blog weighed in yesterday as well ? all the way from New York. Interestingly enough, he likewise feels that the majority and dissent both had good arguments. By the way, when I said that this case had ?predictably? drawn some gut-level reactions, I meant both predictably and understandably. I wasn?t knocking the gut-level reactions. Just thought I should clear that up, especially since so many people are reaching this post from Decision of the Day. Comments __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070925/c3c4b8d1/attachment.htm From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Wed Sep 26 13:08:55 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:08:55 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] New Test Analyzes Sewer for Drugs Message-ID: <00d801c8005f$ebc72850$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> ----- Original Message ----- From: RoadsEnd To: Cia-drugs Cia-drugs Cc: RoadsEnd Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Fwd: New Test Analyzes Sewer for Drugs Begin forwarded message: From: "Sardar" Date: September 25, 2007 7:57:16 PM PDT To: "Sardar" Subject: New Test Analyzes Sewer for Drugs New Test Analyzes Sewer for Drugs By Sara Goudarzi, Special to LiveScience posted: 21 August 2007 02:54 pm ET Share this story Email Clues to illicit drug use can be found in the pee and poop of sewer pipes, according to a new screening test that analyzes what is flushed down the toilet. The test, which identifies drugs such as methamphetamine, morphine and cocaine, could help public health officials identify high-risk communities and develop preventive drug-use measures. This assessment method could also eliminate reliance on surveys and personal information such as medical and criminal records. ?This approach provides information at the community level and not at the individual level in order to obtain useful information that does not raise concerns about individual privacy,? said lead researcher Jennifer Field, an environmental chemist at Oregon State University. Field and her colleagues take samples at the point where wastewater enters a treatment plant, also known as the influent. Influent of treatment plants is flow-normalized?meaning flow variation is controlled by holding wastewater in a tank before it enters the plant. This helps achieve a nearly constant flow rate at all times. ?[This] enables us to capture the concentrations of illicit drugs over a 24-hour period for the community or portion of a municipality served by wastewater treatment plants,? Field told LiveScience. Once the information is gathered, the sampling data will be entered into a geographic information system (GIS) database that also includes spatial statistics on drug poisoning incidents and fatalities. ?These spatial data will be analyzed to determine whether there is a spatial correlation between wastewater measurements and incidents relating to methamphetamine throughout the state,? Field said. ?In addition, parallel analyses will be conducted for other substances.? ?These data may also be useful in assessing the effectiveness of interventions, through prospective monitoring and the assessment of temporal clusters over time,? she added. Field and her team have conducted preliminary tests in 10 cities around the nation and are currently working in the lab to refine the technique for extremely low concentrations, on the order of billionths of a gram per liter. Study team member Aurea Chiaia, a graduate student at Oregon State University, described the details of this test today at a meeting of the American Chemical Society. ?a.. VIDEO: Addiction: It's in Your Genes ?b.. 10 Easy Paths to Self-Destruction ?c.. Researchers Develop Portable Cocaine-A-Lyzer The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.livescience.com/health/070821_sewer_drug.html Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments.? 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This > assessment method could also eliminate reliance on surveys and > personal information such as medical and criminal records. > > ?This approach provides information at the community level and not > at the individual level in order to obtain useful information that > does not raise concerns about individual privacy,? said lead > researcher Jennifer Field, an environmental chemist at Oregon State > University. > > Field and her colleagues take samples at the point where wastewater > enters a treatment plant, also known as the influent. Influent of > treatment plants is flow-normalized?meaning flow variation is > controlled by holding wastewater in a tank before it enters the > plant. This helps achieve a nearly constant flow rate at all times. > > ?[This] enables us to capture the concentrations of illicit drugs > over a 24-hour period for the community or portion of a > municipality served by wastewater treatment plants,? 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Field said. > ?In addition, parallel analyses will be conducted for other > substances.? > > ?These data may also be useful in assessing the effectiveness of > interventions, through prospective monitoring and the assessment of > temporal clusters over time,? she added. > > Field and her team have conducted preliminary tests in 10 cities > around the nation and are currently working in the lab to refine > the technique for extremely low concentrations, on the order of > billionths of a gram per liter. > > Study team member Aurea Chiaia, a graduate student at Oregon State > University, described the details of this test today at a meeting > of the American Chemical Society. > > a.. VIDEO: Addiction: It's in Your Genes > b.. 10 Easy Paths to Self-Destruction > c.. 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Because of the positive test, federal court probation officer Patricia Locket-Ross, who is assigned to Vick, asked Judge Henry Hudson to place special conditions on Vick's release, which include refraining from use or unlawful possession of a narcotic drug or other controlled substance. Also, Vick must submit to any method of testing at any time. Methods of testing could include urine testing, the wearing of a "sweat patch," a remote alcohol testing system and/or any form of prohibited substance screening or testing. Vick must also participate in a program of inpatient or outpatient substance therapy and mental health counseling if the pretrial services officer or supervising officer deem it appropriate. Vick is also now restricted to his residence every day from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. or as directed by the pretrial services officer. The home confinement will include electronic monitoring. Vick pleaded guilty in August to a federal dogfighting charge. He is set to be sentenced on Dec. 10. On Tuesday, he was indicted by a grand jury in Surry County, Va., on state dogfighting charges. Kelly Naqi is a reporter for ESPN. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070926/3cac4543/attachment.htm From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Wed Sep 26 14:47:01 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:47:01 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] 3 Charged in PC Magazine Editor's Death Message-ID: <030101c8006d$a01b7b50$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> this sounds like weirdness. -vmann http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070926/D8RT49E00.html 3 Charged in PC Magazine Editor's Death Sep 26, 7:36 AM (ET) PITTSBURG, Calif. (AP) - Three men have been charged with murdering a senior editor for PC World magazine in what police said was an attempt to steal marijuana that the victim's son grew in their home for medical use. Rex Farrance, 59, the San Francisco-based magazine's senior technical editor, was shot in the chest on Jan. 9 after masked men broke into his suburban home. Farrance's relatives believe the killers targeted the home after learning about the marijuana from a friend of the 19-year-old son. "Without regard to the legality of the extensive marijuana-growing operation that was taking place in the residence, we regard Mr. Farrance as an innocent victim in this case," said Contra Costa County prosecutor Harold Jewett. Farrance's wife, Lenore Vantosh-Farrance, was pistol-whipped during the robbery but managed to call 911. The three men charged Tuesday could face the death penalty if convicted of murder, murder in the commission of a robbery and murder in the commission of a burglary. One, Tremaine Amos, 25, of Bay Point, is serving time for an unrelated conviction. The other two, Darryl Hudson and Montrell Hall, both 23 and from Pittsburg, are being tried this week for robbery in a different case. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070926/302a6bdd/attachment.htm From elgrekkko at carolina.rr.com Wed Sep 26 18:50:50 2007 From: elgrekkko at carolina.rr.com (ccadden) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:50:50 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] where's preston? Message-ID: <007001c8008f$afc86b90$43cbb941@barbarao0mvuzh> Everything's up and running again, and his email box is full, overquota. Someone mentioned something about not being able to reach him. Wonder what's up. If I have to go into the spiritual realm for this, lemme know now. It's a full moon, good time for flying. Anyone know what's up? ccadden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone know what's up? > > > > ccadden> > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands > :::::::: (]=- > (][%] ::: > http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: > [%][) > -=[) ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe > ::::: (]=- > Libby Spencer Detroit News blog http://info.detnews.com/weblog/ The Impolitic http://theimpolitic.blogspot.com/ The Newshoggers http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/ The Reaction http://www.the-reaction.blogspot.com/ Last One Speaks http://lastonespeaks.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Wed Sep 26 23:05:57 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:05:57 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] where's preston? References: <007001c8008f$afc86b90$43cbb941@barbarao0mvuzh> Message-ID: <042301c800b3$537bfe00$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> maybe he took my advice and went on a college speaking tour and is ripping up the vaginas of daddy's little girls all across america. ----- Original Message ----- From: ccadden To: Vox ; drugwar ; The Ibogaine List Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: [DrugWar] where's preston? Everything's up and running again, and his email box is full, overquota. Someone mentioned something about not being able to reach him. Wonder what's up. If I have to go into the spiritual realm for this, lemme know now. It's a full moon, good time for flying. 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070926/5df997bf/attachment.htm From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Wed Sep 26 23:09:21 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:09:21 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] Fw: Bloglines - Missouri: Police Stake Out Brett Darrow Home Message-ID: <046b01c800b3$cd2bb9c0$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> ----- Original Message ----- From: dquack at thegrid.net To: projectgrasp at yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: pg: Bloglines - Missouri: Police Stake Out Brett Darrow Home Bloglines user quackn (dquack at thegrid.net) has sent this item to you. TheNewspaper TheNewspaper: A Journal of Driving and Politics Missouri: Police Stake Out Brett Darrow Home By TheNewspaper Editor A young Saint Louis, Missouri motorist faces trouble with local police upset at the national attention his September 7 video of an out-of-control officer has drawn to ongoing problems within area law enforcement agencies. On Sunday, Brett Darrow filmed a Saint Louis Metropolitan Police Department cruiser staking out his home. "It was the first time I've seen it," Darrow told TheNewspaper. "But my neighbor said he's seen a lot of police down our dead end street since all of this happened." When Darrow walked outside to his 1997 Nissan Maxima, he noticed two officers sitting in a marked squad car, numbered 65. There is little question as to why the officers were there. "As I got into the car, he started to pull up the street and he and his partner just stared me down," Darrow explained. The patrol car drove away as Darrow started his car and followed. Because his camera had been set to capture night-time footage, the first 45 seconds of the video is obscured. It does, however, capture the police car making questionable turning maneuvers in order to get away. Members of the police community are on the record regarding their desire to stake out Darrow's home and harass the twenty-year-old. In late June, users of St. Louis CopTalk, an unofficial forum for Saint Louis area law enforcement, posted Darrow's home address along with messages containing apparent death threats in retaliation for the young motorist's taping of a DUI roadblock in November and a traffic ticket in June. One CopTalk user repeating the address wrote, "Every copper, City and County, should etch this little punks [sic] name in their [sic] memory. Brett Darrow, [address deleted], city of St. Louis." (View screen capture of post) This month, however, scandals within the Saint Louis Police Department which otherwise would have been a local story, gathered national attention and fueled additional resentment. Some $40,000 in cash turned up "missing" from the police evidence room on September 17. The city of St. George was forced to fire Sergeant James Kuehnlein for his threat to "come up with reasons" to "lock up" Darrow. An investigation into whether Kuehnlein's actions merit criminal charges is under way. Darrow met on Monday with a Saint Louis County Police Department detective. "I quickly learned that this was about finding something I did wrong and not the officer," Darrow said. Despite the official harassment, Darrow has been comforted by an unexpected level of support from the general public. Motorists who recognized him from various television interviews have stopped to thank him or give him the "thumbs up." A judge also dropped charges from the June traffic stop after a Saint Louis police officer failed to show up at a trial where Darrow had been prepared to defend himself with video evidence. View stalking video. If you like our articles, be sure to sign up for free email updates or our RSS feed. Source __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070926/7d0d7e61/attachment.htm From rschimel at verizon.net Wed Sep 26 23:30:13 2007 From: rschimel at verizon.net (Richard Schimelfenig) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:30:13 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US MA: Column: Life Sentence In-Reply-To: <46F7BCAF.2020003@cosy.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c800b6$b7cfdcc0$2f01a8c0@HOMECOMPUTER> I do not feel informed enough to comment on the rest of this debate. I'm working on it and you guys are helping. However, I feel that my own experience and those of others I know can inform a little on this part below: ____________________ > Automation will be seeing exponential growth in the service sector, over > the course of the next two decades, eliminating millions of jobs > overnight, (couple RFID with self-service customer service and check-out > and put them in every Wal-Mart, fast-food restaurant, and their > competitors, and that's a lot of cashiers, clerks and back-end people > *permanently* out of work), with no new jobs to replace them, in which > case we're going to need a lot of prison like environments to house the > unemployed. Has any of this happened yet ? The fact is that it is low tek "3rd world" and socialist countries like France that have large portions of unemployed . The US has had historically low unemployment for quite a long time . _______________________ I am a photographer and video journalist. I worked for a local CNN affiliate here in DEAlaware. About ten years ago, the cable group that I worked for built a high tech studio about 50 miles north of here. Instead of studio camera operators, Chyron programmers and switcher operators, as well as producer, director, on air talent, reporters and ENG camera operators they automated as much of the operation as possible. This is being seen throughout the television industry, and has reduced the multiple camera shoot to such a point that outside of reporters and on air talent, it takes only a producer and director to run everything else. It looks sucky to anyone who knows what they are looking at and makes all news production look like tabloid news - and it ain't just the piss poor reporting, guys. In general, the product simply lacks the professional look it once had. BUT it appeals to both the lowest common denominator of humanity, as well as the bottom line of an industry raking in the largest profits ever seen. Even in the field, automated tripods have eliminated the need for ENG videographers and photographers. Either the camera bots are run by the director, or the reporter (if such a term is accurate any longer) is tracked by software that detects their position. BUT - now what do I do? I have a masters in film making and photography, and nearly three decades of experience. I write fairly well and I am one of the shrinking group of journalist videographers with real ethics. There are perhaps five to ten thousand of us all over the country no with no job. All thanks to piss poor automation creating a greater bottom line for impersonal corporations who don't give a squat for the human costs, or that they are contributing to a lack of art right where it is needed the most. The auto industry, both through the loss of work under NAFTA, but also through the heavy handed intrusion of automation, has lead to the degradation of the product, as well as the degradation of auto workers. Just a decade ago (or maybe a little more - the dates are slipping my memory right now) there were over 400 thousand auto workers. Now, there are less than 80,000. Most of those people were either forced into early retirement or had to take inferior jobs, since what they knew, what they were educated to do, was no longer a job. The government and industry has completely failed to provide educational opportunities to keep the auto workers, let alone the more elite and arguably more highly trained and specialized videographer journalists and related workers, to keep us all employed in a meaningful way. No one will hire many of us (I now return to speak of my cohort of videographer/photographer journalists). And it certainly seems to many of us that part of the line that has been drawn follows the edge to eliminate those with the best and strongest ethics. At 55, am I supposed to retire on piss poor retirement packages that have stagnated because I can not find real work? My mom died at age 83. Probably mostly because she smoked. Her mom, who did not smoke, live to be 101. My father is very similar, and our generation is expected to push even that envelope. Should highly educated people be forced to take demeaning "service industry" jobs at wages that will still require us to dip into retirement savings if we expect to not have to eat dog food, give up cars, all forms of independent living all together and live in ghettos? More education certainly has failed to help me, as well. Now I go to interviews only to be told that I am too highly educated. The Department of labor tells us to take menial work at crappy wages that in spite of recent increases are worth less than they were ten years ago. To illustrate the problem further, I note that a local supermarket manager has told me that, with automated checkouts and other automation innovations he had to accept because the owning corporation demanded it, he now has about a quarter of the checkout and other customer oriented workers than he had a mere ten years ago. His entire store is run with a third less workers than it used to take. Yet, in that same period of time the corporation has increased prices by more than ten to twenty times. A bag of potatoes that used to sell for fifty cents is now $5. A steak that sold for $.30 a pound is now well over $5 a pound. Cereals and grains that used to cost pennies now cost anywhere from $2 a pound to over $5 a pound. And, that is all happening while automation steals the jobs of even the unskilled laborers who used to dig potatoes, feed the cows, run the equipment, run the packers, drive the trucks and even the cash registers. And, with automation forcing hundreds of thousands of people to accept really crappy, meaningless jobs with no future at less than a quarter of what they used to make, who can buy any product at these inflated prices? At our present rate of the invasion of automation, it seems to me that more people are being forced into poverty, while corporate entities rake in record breaking profits. It is happening NOW. This is not some futuristic, sci-fi prediction. The US unemployment rate? Let's examine the fallacy that the unemployment rate is lower. What a sack of shit that claim is. First, unemployment rates do NOT measure how many people are actually out of a job, let alone how many are underemployed. The unemployment rate does not include people in prison or in the military. It does not count students who still need to work to pay for life while in school, but can not find it. It does not even count how many people really need work, but have simply given up because work just is not there. What the unemployment rate measures is how many people are still looking for work against how many have or find a job. Period. The number is a complete fallacy, disconnected from reality. I doubt the integrity of anyone who depends on that number to prove their arguments, as they should know these facts, and should make that clear in their arguments. To do anything else is disingenuous, dishonest, and unethical. The reality is, that if one looks at the number of people who should be eligible for employment, and compares the number actually employed, less than half of those who should be eligible for employment can find jobs. Compared with only ten years ago, while still way to fucking high a number, people who were eligible but did not find employment meant that almost 60 percent of eligible people were working. Thanks, automation! I feel better that after spending $200,00 on an education, and with thirty years of experience in my field, that I can toss burgers in a bag for less than minimum wage (remember, restaurants, even fast food restaurants, are an exempt industry). No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 8:20 PM From rlake at mapinc.org Thu Sep 27 07:10:15 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:10:15 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Medical Pot and the Iraq Veteran Message-ID: <20070927112017.DKQC495.aarprv02.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n1106/a07.html Pubdate: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 Source: Esquire (US) Page: 158 Copyright: 2007 Hearst Communications, Inc. Contact: editor at esquire.com Website: http://www.esquire.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/4563 Author: Colby Buzzell Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topics/Proposition+215 Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mmj.htm (Marijuana - Medicinal) MEDICAL POT AND THE IRAQ VETERAN We're Back From the War. We Can't Sleep. We're Getting Divorced. If Marijuana Is Good for Post-Traumatic Stress, Who Are We to Deny Its Medicinal Properties? Can medical marijuana help returning soldiers from the Iraq and Afghanistan war deal with post-traumatic stress disorder? This question -- that it might, that it might not, or that it might even make it worse -- hadn't even occurred to me until recently, when I was on the phone with the receptionist at a local medical-marijuana clinic trying to line up an appointment with a doctor in high hopes of obtaining a California medical-marijuana ID card so that I could purchase some cannabis as "medication." I'm what you might call a recreational drug user, as well as an Operation Iraqi Freedom combat veteran and a card-carrying member of the VFW. To be honest, the real reason I was looking to score a coveted medical-marijuana card was because I had plans that night to go and watch Zodiac at the Los Feliz theater here in Los Angeles. I read the book years ago, thoroughly enjoyed it, and wanted to see the movie adaptation while under the influence of a narcotic, which at that moment I didn't have. The idea to obtain a medical-marijuana card came after I clicked on a link that was posted on the Drudge Report that morning, "Calif. high school students 'openly smoking medical marijuana in class'..." The article essentially said that some high school students down in San Diego armed with medical-marijuana cards were coming to class baked, thinking that these cards might help them get away with it. Hysterically brilliant yet insanely retarded way of thinking. But this got me thinking that if high school kids can easily obtain these cards, then I could, too. Right? After skimming over the article, I went and did some research online. It seems that thanks to the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 (Prop. 215), I, being a California resident, now had "the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana." The girl on the phone told me I needed three, actually four, things to get started. Most importantly, I needed an ailment. I told her I was back from the war and had PTSD. While I was researching medical marijuana online I came to discover that a lot of the things people say medical MJ can cure are disorders associated with PTSD. Some doctors are saying that pot is the best treatment for PTSD, because it provides for the restoration of the sleep cycle, unlike other drugs that disrupt sleep. I even heard that some soldiers at Walter Reed were smoking dope. I asked if I could see somebody today, and she said sure, but I needed to have a California ID card, money to cover the consultation fee ($150), and a copy of my medical records. I didn't have my medical records -- the VA hospital currently possessed them. She told me that by law they have to give me a copy of my medical records and that obtaining them from the VA hospital is easy. Really?! How the hell did she know this? "Do a lot of veterans seek medical marijuana?" I asked. "All the time," she told me. I told her I'd call her right back. I immediately called the VA hospital to see if I could possibly obtain my medical records that day because I needed the weed that night. Of course I was immediately placed on hold. While patiently waiting, I listened to the Muzak and various voice-over messages: "The VA can provide free medical care for two years from your discharge from active duty for conditions possibly related to your service, regardless of your income status. Please contact the enrollment-and-eligibility office at a VA health-care facility near you or call...The VA Greater Los Angeles Health Care System is here to serve you....A VA representative will be with you momentarily....We're proud to serve our country's veterans, because we know that the price of freedom is not free. Thank you for making the VA your provider of choice." After waiting on hold for what seemed like forever, I finally hung up. My watch told me that I was on hold for twenty minutes. I debated for a split second whether or not to physically go down there. I've found that you can die just from the waiting that they make you do there, and all kidding aside, you can get terrifying PTSD just by walking into a VA facility trying to get tested and/or treatment for PTSD: depression, flashbacks, nightmares, rapid heart rate, irritability, outbursts of anger, emotional numbness, thoughts of suicide -- all symptoms I feel whenever I go there. So instead of reliving that traumatic experience, I went back to sifting through the multiple medical-marijuana ads printed in the LA Weekly. I figured that maybe there was another doctor in this damned town who could help me out without having my medical records, right? It didn't take me long to find one. The first thing I noticed about his office was the skateboard, which struck me as being out of place for Beverly Hills -- old-school pool-model deck, Indy trucks, and Powell Bomber wheels -- pretty much the exact same setup that I skate on, or used to. He was wearing a floaty white linen tunic shirt with subtle embroidery around the neck, designer jeans, and wavy So-Cal blond hair. Supermellow, talking to me the entire time in a voice just above a whisper, which made me wonder if he spoke that way all the time, or if he did that because he didn't want people next door hearing what he was saying. After I took a seat on the leather chair, I asked him if he skated. He told me he did, but with a smile said mostly he loved to surf. He asked if I skated and I told him that I did, but not nearly as much as I used to. I skate mostly as transportation now, liquor store and back, reason being the prolonged bending of the knees now sometimes creates a large amount of stress and pain afterward, sometimes so great that I have a hard time falling asleep at night. I've been skating off and on since the fifth grade, and in high school I participated in sports, which over time probably added a lot more wear and tear to my knees. Sometimes they'd go out on me. I had these issues when I enlisted in the Army, but I kept them hush-hush because I didn't want to be kicked out. In the Army, it was easy to obtain Vicodin, codeine, Percocet, you name it, from others in the barracks and wash them down with a beer or two for the pain whenever the issue came up no problem. But since being discharged, I have no way of obtaining pills. So I told the doctor I was interested in turning to alternative medicines. The whole time I was yapping about all this, he was taking scribble notes with a black pen on a plain white piece of paper. I then told him about the time I went down to the VA to get my head checked out for PTSD. It wasn't till my wife and I moved back to the 213 that I came to find out that I was possibly wired differently now. One of the reasons why I wanted to move back to Los Angeles was because of an article I came across on the protesting that was going on all across the country on the anniversary of the war. The article listed estimates of how many people showed up to each protest in each major city. L. A. was somewhere near the bottom, and when I saw that, I thought to myself, That's where I want to live. Not because the antiwar crowd bothers me, but because I wanted to distance myself from the war as much as possible, and what better way to do that than to live in a city full of narcissists? I didn't want to see any yellow ribbons, shake hands with strangers thanking me for my service, and I didn't want to view any antiwar slogans like "No More Racist War for Oil!" or sit in a restaurant next to a table of rich NYU kids hearing them regurgitate to each other whatever antiwar rhetoric their draft-dodging professors told them that day. While apartment hunting, I was living by myself at a month-to-month cold-water efficiency near the corner of Hollywood Boulevard and Western. I was having difficulty landing a place because most landlords could give two shits if you were in the Army. All they cared about was what job you presently had, how much you made now, and if you could pay the rent. (Saying "Aspiring writer" also didn't help my situation too much since all they would hear instead was "Unemployed.") While on a business trip, my friend Gabe came down to visit me, and as we were leaving the building so I could give him a ride back to his hotel in Irvine, he asked if the neighborhood I lived in now was bad. I looked at him and said, "After Iraq, what's a bad neighborhood?" Immediately after I told him this, fireworks went off a close distance from where we were both standing. They were sporadic, as was the screaming that came from that same direction. "Are those gunshots?" Gabe asked curiously, as I thought to myself, No way, that's geographically impossible, we're here in the United States, that shit only happens in the movies, like for example Boyz N the Hood. Just then I heard a ricochet bullet whir close by, and my brain registered that yes, holy shit, those were gunshots being fired, probably a 9mm. Instinctively, I took a knee behind a car for cover and scanned over to the location where they were coming from as my friend ran down the street totally wide open like an open target as the shooting continued. "Get down!" I yelled. "Get the fuck down!" An image ran through my head of Sergeant Horrocks tackling a private who didn't take cover when we were under assault in Mosul. When the shooting subsided, I got up, ran to the car, told Gabe to get in, and we drove in the direction the shooting was coming from. "Are you nuts?!" "No. I just want to see what happened." When we drove to the location the shots were fired from, a low-rent apartment complex, we saw several youths standing around in a panic, and in the middle of all that a half-lifeless individual wearing a Hanes wifebeater completely soaked in red blood sprawled out on the front lawn faceup, and a young girl standing next to him with tears running down her face hysterically screaming, "Why?!" On the freeway down to Irvine, I explained to my friend that whenever you hear shooting, not to run, but instead get down and seek cover. He then asked me why I didn't get out of the car to help when we drove past the scene. "I don't know," I told him as the car radio was softly playing some song I'd never heard before. "I was never really trained to do that." After dropping him off and parking my car near where I lived, I walked back to my building; the whole block was taped off with a dozen-plus black-and-white police cars parked all around it. Instead of going straight up to my room, I stopped by the liquor store on the corner first to pick up a twelve-pack. I do this every night. Then I walked up to a police officer and asked him about casualties. One dead, two in critical condition. For the amount of shots fired at that close range, I analyzed that the gunman had pathetic aim. After thanking the po-po for the intel, I carried my twelve-pack silently up to my room, cracked the window open, lit up a smoke, and drank while listening to the police helicopter flying up above. Many nights in L. A., I would wake up when I heard the ghetto bird circle up above the building, with its spotlight sometimes beaming down through the lone window in my room. In Iraq, Kiowa attack helicopters would fly above us constantly on combat missions, and I loved that sound. For a year straight after I came back, I hardly ever left my room, and the only walking that I did was to the liquor store and back to numb myself in my room. I found that I was no longer interested in going out. Nothing interested me, not even butterfly collecting, and I found myself not interested in meeting or talking to new people, either. Why should I? I had already met a lot of the best people you will ever meet, in the military. When a friend of mine from the Army who I still keep in touch with told me that the days now went on and on and every day felt like being placed on QRF and waiting for something to happen, I told him I felt the exact same way. Quick Reaction Force means you sit around all day, sometimes for several days, and wait for an attack and/or a mission to happen. After some encouragement from this friend, I decided to go to the VA. He told me that you have to go through a lot of bullshit, but once you do, it's worth it, especially if the Army called you back up to active duty. Rumor is PTSD can get you out of redeployment. At the VA, the physician who does the initial screening for PTSD asked: "In your life, have you ever had any experience that was so frightening, horrible, or upsetting that in the past month, you..." Followed by four questions: 1. Have had nightmares about it or thought about it when you did not want to? 2. Tried hard not to think about it or went out of your way to avoid situations that reminded you of it? 3. Were constantly on guard, watchful, or easily startled? 4. Felt numb or detached from others, activities, or your surroundings? After I truthfully answered yes to all four questions, the doctor at the VA told me that if I answered yes to just three out of the four, I would screen positive for PTSD. What is PTSD? The VA Web site defines it: Post-traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is an anxiety disorder that can occur following the experience or witnessing of a traumatic event. A traumatic event is a life-threatening event such as military combat, natural disasters, terrorist incidents, serious accidents, or physical or sexual assault in adult or childhood. Most survivors of trauma return to normal given a little time. However, some people will have stress reactions that do not go away on their own, or may even get worse over time. These individuals may develop PTSD. People with PTSD experience three different kinds of symptoms. The first set of symptoms involves reliving the trauma in some way such as becoming upset when confronted with a traumatic reminder or thinking about the trauma when you are trying to do something else. The second set of symptoms involves either staying away from places or people that remind you of the trauma, isolating from other people, or feeling numb. The third set of symptoms includes things such as feeling on guard, irritable, or startling easily. In addition to the symptoms described above, we now know that there are clear biological changes that are associated with PTSD. PTSD is complicated by the fact that people with PTSD often may develop additional disorders such as depression, substance abuse, problems of memory and cognition, and other problems of physical and mental health. These problems may lead to impairment of the person's ability to function in social or family life, including occupational instability, marital problems, and family problems. When I clicked on the link on their Web site for more information on treatment, it of course, no surprise, directed me to a page that read "Page Not Found." I told this doctor in Beverly Hills all about the initial screening at the VA, as well as why I never followed up on it. Weeks after visiting the VA, I finally received a phone call back to set up an appointment with a counselor there, but by then I'd lost all interest in the matter, and never called them back. I had had a realization while I was seated in the waiting room, which looked like a casting call for Born on the Fourth of July, with dozens of sullen veterans, a lot of whom were missing limbs and confined to wheelchairs, several proudly wearing ball caps that read WWII VETERAN or VIETNAM VETERAN. I sat there with all my limbs intact, looked around, and realized in comparison I had absolutely nothing to bitch about. I thought no matter what horrific things I did or saw, it probably paled in comparison to these guys, you could see it in their eyes. I was lucky. My platoon wasn't wiped out. I wasn't living under a bridge in Santa Monica. Once I realized this, I walked out the door. He then asked if I was suicidal, I told him no, though at times I do find myself thinking about how life feels a bit pointless now, and he asked how often I drank and how much, and after I told him, he suggested that it'd be a good idea for me to cut back a little bit on my nightly consumption. Mentioned something about permanent liver damage. After taking more notes, he handed me a piece of paper with my full name printed on the first line. The above-named patient and I have discussed the use of medical cannabis during the course of a medical history and physical examination following guidelines of the Medical Board of California. I believe cannabis is a medically appropriate treatment for this patient. I am a consulting physician for the patient, who has demonstrated a legitimate medical need for cannabis. My patient understands the risks and benefits associated with this treatment and that alternative treatments may be available. The patient has been advised that California Proposition 215 notwithstanding, the cultivation, possession, and use of cannabis, even for medical purposes, is still illegal under Federal law at this time. Approval Period: 12 (twelve) months Other Instructions: Recommended va-porizer/edibles At the bottom, he signed and dated it. Awesome. I didn't even have my meds yet, and I was already beginning to feel a whole heck of a lot better. Using his Mac laptop Web cam, the doctor took a quick snapshot of me sitting in his office and printed out the card and handed it to me. He said something about how the medical-marijuana card now allowed me to legally purchase cannabis, but to use discretion and also keep in mind that it was not a "Get Out of Jail Free" card, which meant I could still get busted if I was not careful. For example, don't smoke weed in your car, especially around the locations where they sell medical MJ, because the cops will bust you immediately. When I told him that I was more interested in consuming the medication orally via edibles, like brownies, he told me to be extremely careful. He had a client who ate a whole brownie in one sitting, and she was out of it for three whole days, had hallucinations and everything. He suggested I only eat a small bit at a time. With my new card and letter of recommendation in hand from the doctor, I thanked him for his help with a personal check paid to the amount of $175. As I was leaving his office, he tensed up and requested that I be a bit incognito on the way out with that piece of paper with his signature on it. He asked for it back, and then folded it up for me like a burrito and covered it with a blank piece of paper, handed it back, and kindly said to call him whenever I had any questions. I walked past two menacing security guards, both looking a bit bored standing by the main entrance of the "Farmacy," which, once inside, felt nothing like any pharmacy I'd ever been in before, not even in Amsterdam. It was more like a head shop on Telegraph Avenue, with a dash of a festive co-op nonprofit-dot-org vibe. I took a seat inside by the front desk and told the earthy girl sitting behind it that it was my first time. I had to be registered in their system. I handed her my medical card, driver's license, and doctor's note. She was kinda hot, in that Charlie Manson Girl kind of way, and while filling out and signing a waiver that pretty much requested I don't medicate in or around their facility, she typed some info into the computer and said all that was left was a phone call to the doctor to confirm. She called, gave his office my name, and just like that I was in their system, ready to go. Once in the back, which of course, was papered with various portraits and photographs of Bob Marley, I was greeted by my own personal salesperson, a thirty-something with round Lennon glasses and hair down to his shoulders. Advertised up on a chalkboard was today's staff pick and the special of the day. Behind glass display counters was a buffet of various glass medical cookie jars filled with nuggets of green bud of various breeds, as well as a wide array of pot brownies, pot cookies, pot cupcakes, pot soda, pot butter, pot ice cream, pot lasagna, pot potpie, and pot chocolate bars in all sorts of shapes, sizes, and potency. It was hard for me to concentrate as I eyed the inventory, partly due to the two mariachis in the corner playing live music, one playing an acoustic guitar, the other sitting down on a stool playing an accordion. I purchased a bunch of edibles, which my salesperson placed in a white paper bag and stapled shut for me. I shoved them into my backpack. Since it was my first time, I received a free sample -- a red lollipop that came equipped with a sticker on the packaging that read, "This product contains medical cannabis for 215 patients only. Not for resale." And "Keep out of reach of small children. Caution while driving or operating machinery." On leaving the Farmacy, I stuck the lollipop in my mouth and rode my Vespa all the way back to the pad, paranoid the entire time that a suspecting black-and-white LAPD cab might pull me over for whatever reason. I can just see the link right now on Drudge: "Iraq-war veteran arrested in Hollywood with several pounds of medical-marijuana brownies...tells judge marijuana was to treat his PTSD...." There's a reason why I no longer drive a car and now own a Vespa scooter, and it's not because I've watched Quadrophenia one too many times. I tell people that it's because I save money on gas, sixty to eighty miles per gallon, which, in a way, is my middle finger to the oil industry. The other reason, which I don't tell anybody, is that I'd probably be in jail right now if I continued to drive a car in Los Angeles. Twice I exited my vehicle to engage in violence on some busy street because of some idiot driving like shit here in L. A. Would I have done this before experiencing a year in Iraq? Hard to say, but thoughts of violence only went through my head when these individuals decided to give me the finger. When that happens, what I'm seeing is some guy who could give two shits. While I was over there, he was here, and not only that, he's in a polished luxury sedan, making over $100K, no cares in the world, hair styled, cell phone to the ear, doesn't have to worry about the Army calling him back up to active duty, or a phone call from a friend from the old platoon saying, "Hey, did you hear? Such and such just got killed." And now this douchebag is going to flip me off? When he's the one driving like the complete asshole? With a scooter, I don't get anxiety when stuck in traffic, I can just maneuver and weave my way in and out of it no problem and park my shit wherever I want. It's a lot less stressful. I made it home without incident and spent the entire weekend heavily medicated. Since nobody told me how much or how little to use when medicating, I had to just figure it out myself. At the time, I was married and living in a loft apartment in downtown L. A. The reason why we moved into a loft apartment was mainly because there are only four walls in a warehouse loft -- so I couldn't close the door and hole myself up in my room like I did all day and all night at the last place we lived. I'd be forced to be in the same room with my wife. But what happened instead was I just put up invisible walls all around me. When she got home from work, after dropping her purse off on the counter and some small talk about how the day was, she opened up the fridge, saw the meds in there, and asked, "What's all this?" I had changed my mind about going out and seeing Zodiac, so my ass was on the sofa and Apocalypse Now was on the flat screen, and I said, "Oh yeah, I went out today and got a medical-marijuana card." She was confused. "How the hell did you get one of those?" "I have PTSD," I said, taking another bite from a brownie. "What?! Are you serious?!" "Totally." "But you don't have PTSD?" I liked the marijuana a lot because it helped me sleep, and if I could sleep all night and all day I would, and I slept all that weekend, probably the best sleep I'd had since the war, and on Monday I felt like a new person. "I'd wake up and there'd be nothing. I hardly said a word to my wife, until I said 'yes' to a divorce. When I was here, I wanted to be there...." -- Apocalypse Now My wife was the love of my life, the girl I wanted to spend the rest of my life with, but when I came back from Iraq, she was now a complete stranger to me, as I was to her. I couldn't relate to her, and she couldn't to me. So I don't blame her at all for not wanting anything to do with me anymore. Hell, at times I don't want anything to do with myself either. But whatever, I left L. A. for San Francisco, and a couple months later, when Todd Vance, a friend of mine from my old platoon, called me up to see how I was doing, I told him about the divorce. In shock he exclaimed, "No way!" Not because he was surprised that I was divorced now but because this meant that almost every single one of us who was married now wasn't. When I told Vance about the new line of medication that I was on, at first he chuckled at me, but later on he called me back to tell me that he's been thinking about MJ, as well as about an advertisement he saw in the back of the weekly paper that was targeting veterans. I got in contact with the marketing director for MediCann, who came up with the ad campaign, and in an e-mail exchange she told me that "a high percentage of our veteran patients have the diagnosis of PTSD. The most popular effect is that marijuana stops the night terrors or flashbacks associated with PTSD. Patients with this diagnosis typically use marijuana at night to help get to sleep and stay asleep without being woken up by their nightmares." I wore a Mini Combat Infantry Badge lapel pin the day I decided to go back to the VA to go through with my testing. At the VA hospital in Los Angeles, I asked to see somebody for help with PTSD. The lady wrote down a name and phone number for me to call, and I politely told her that I wasn't going to go through that hell again, and that I wanted to see somebody that day. An individual then walked me to an office that had a paper note taped on its door that read, OUT TILL MONDAY, then he walked me over to another door that read OUT TO A MEETING. He then handed me a map of the hospital and told me to go to a separate building across the way. Once at the building, I was told to go to yet another building, and at that building, after signing in and taking an elevator up to the second floor, a guy there then told me to go back down and go to yet another building next door. I was getting PTSD all over again, and right about the time I was about to say fuck this and head down to the nearest medical-marijuana facility so I could restock and medicate myself into a coma, I decided to keep on going, and I walked into the cuckoo's nest of the mental-health ward. I told the lady behind the counter that I was told to come here to see somebody for PTSD, and she asked for my name and some basic info, and then she asked where I slept last night, and I told her the truth: "Believe it or not, I slept in my rental car." I had driven down the previous night from San Francisco, leaving late at night down the Highway 5, and whenever I got tired I pulled off the freeway into the rest stops, and I'd sleep for a couple hours until I awoke, then I'd drive again until I couldn't. She gestured for me to take a seat. I thanked her and glanced at my Swatch to see what time it was, and with a smile she warned me not to do that, and that I was going to be waiting for a while. There were about a dozen of us in the waiting-room lobby. One guy was mumbling to himself about something and all the others looked totally homeless and defeated. Above the television set was a red-white-and-blue sign WELCOMING VETERANS FROM OIF/OEF. I was the only one there who looked like he participated in that conflict, everybody else looked considerably older. A guy came around with sack lunches and started handing them out to everybody. When he came to me, I told him I wasn't hungry, and he said that I should take one anyway, if I wasn't hungry now, I would be. Inside the brown bags were sandwiches, chips, an apple, a drink. What people couldn't eat they handed to somebody else, the same exact way soldiers do when sitting around eating MREs. A soldier will eat what he wants and hand out what he can't, so nothing is wasted. Across a range of combat and life experience, it was quite heartwarming to see that go on here in the mental ward. Finally a lady came out and called my name. After looking at my records on her computer, it showed that the VA tried several times to contact me ever since I came in almost a year ago. I told her that my patience was thin and I'd given up, but this time I was going to go through with the counseling no matter what. She asked me what my Military Occupational Specialty was in the Army. I told her 11 Bravo. Her eyes widened up a bit, and she said, "You must of saw a lot." I didn't say anything, and she told me about how she gets a lot of infantry guys now. "There are two things I tell every OIF/OEF veteran not to do when they return home," she said. "Don't drink any alcohol or take any drugs whatsoever. Number two is to not watch the news or any movies that might remind you of the war." An example she gave was Black Hawk Down. I gave the nice woman a smile. Beside the drugs and alcohol, I was a-okay. I don't pay attention to the news, and I actually don't care too much for Black Hawk Down. Personally I think the flick's a bit overrated and essentially just a stylish two-and-a-half-hour ad for the military. I knew of so many guys at basic training who enlisted because of that movie and had pipe dreams of being a Ranger or D-Boy. I'm more of a fan of the Vietnam-era Hollywood movies. Their war was a bit more rock 'n' roll and the soundtrack a bit cooler as well. I also pick up on the antiwar messages in those films, something unfortunately I didn't quite register prior to enlistment. After scheduling an appointment to see somebody about PTSD, I thanked her, and on the way out I put on my sunglasses and lit up a smoke. The sun was out, the grass looked freshly mowed, a veteran was playing his acoustic guitar on a bench, and I was now feeling a little hungry, so I decided to walk on over to the PX for a bite to eat. On my way there a vet from a previous war walked by. He had a hat on that advertised that he was a Vietnam veteran, and I could see that his eyes viewed the combat pin on my lapel and he gave me a subtle head nod and said, "Welcome home." Esquire Note: This story is part of our second annual register of emerging ideas, trends, discoveries, products, people, and obscene gestures you should know about before everyone else does. - --- MAP posted-by: Jo-D From digital at phantom.com Thu Sep 27 11:28:37 2007 From: digital at phantom.com (Patrick K. Kroupa) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:28:37 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Anybody in NYC...? In-Reply-To: <00f701c80108$a4a0d8f0$3201a8c0@bluefiashly> References: <007001c8008f$afc86b90$43cbb941@barbarao0mvuzh> <00f701c80108$a4a0d8f0$3201a8c0@bluefiashly> Message-ID: On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Matthew Shriver wrote: > Was wondering this myself recently. Thought someone else would > have responded to this by now too. > > > > From: ibogaine-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:ibogaine- > bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of ccadden > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:51 PM > To: Vox; drugwar; The Ibogaine List > Subject: [Ibogaine] where's preston? > > Everything's up and running again, and his email box is full, > overquota. Someone mentioned something about not being able to > reach him. Wonder what's up. If I have to go into the spiritual > realm for this, lemme know now. It's a full moon, good time for > flying. Anyone know what's up? Is there anyone in the NYC area who has seen or spoken with Preston Peet lately...? I too have tried to contact him during the last several weeks... Email bouncing, cellphone messages shut off. Anyone know what's happening with him? Thanks, Patrick From bob at cosy.com Thu Sep 27 13:44:59 2007 From: bob at cosy.com (Bob Armstrong) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:44:59 -0600 Subject: [DrugWar] [OT] US MA: Column: Life Sentence In-Reply-To: <00ee01c800b6$b7cfdcc0$2f01a8c0@HOMECOMPUTER> References: <00ee01c800b6$b7cfdcc0$2f01a8c0@HOMECOMPUTER> Message-ID: <46FBEC1B.8050008@cosy.com> Very good post . You describe well the displaced-worker-side pain of what the economist Joseph Schumpeter labeled the "creative destruction" of the free market . Capitalist markets are totally driven by the free choices of our consumer-side actions which greatly outnumber the producers of any particular good . Sometimes there is an , at least temporary , decrease in quality chosen none the less because of other compensating attributes . An example is digital cameras having essentially killed silver based film . I don't think you can claim that automobiles have decreased in quality because of any changes in production methods or workforce . You are also correct about how crappy the government employment statistics are . But I think they are good enough to compare between governments like US and France . I'll admit that I've always considered my competition and my peers scattered around the whole world so I reject geographically based protectionist arguments . My attitude is , of course , the attitude of the global company owner - tho I'm not one . It sounds like you have tough choices ahead . I hope back when when you were part of their cash flows you bought some little pieces , ie , stock , in those companies you say have greatly increased their cash flows partly a your expense . Inflation is , of course , an increase in the ratio of , eg , dollars to goods . As Ron Paul points out , and has just been illustrated with the "mortgage" crisis , those dollars are created by the Federal Reserve and flow first to centrally connected bankers . Bush's war debt and other profligacy is also causing the value of the dollar to plummet versus the rest of the world thus making everything from gasoline and gold to tube socks more expensive for US , not necessarily the RoW . The diversion of corn from food stocks to ethanol is an additional factor increasing the cost of foods . Again , I'll point out the basic fact that simply more people doing jobs that don't increase the amount of goods produced does not increase the average welfare . The failure of all the make work programs of Hoover and FDR's depression shows this . The essential problem that you raise is how , when certain jobs become redundant because of more efficient methods and technologies , do the increased incomes of those still in the flows of production and cash get distributed to those no longer needed for that purpose . I do think this is an open and difficult question which actually seems to solve itself better than might be expected , probably mainly thru the ingenuity and creativity of the people affected themselves . Incidentally , my sister mentioned she heard the value of the new GM workers contract was about $73 per hour . Richard Schimelfenig wrote: > I do not feel informed enough to comment on the rest of this debate. I'm > working on it and you guys are helping. > > However, I feel that my own experience and those of others I know can inform > a little on this part below: > ____________________ > > >> Automation will be seeing exponential growth in the service sector, over >> the course of the next two decades, eliminating millions of jobs >> overnight, (couple RFID with self-service customer service and check-out >> and put them in every Wal-Mart, fast-food restaurant, and their >> competitors, and that's a lot of cashiers, clerks and back-end people >> *permanently* out of work), with no new jobs to replace them, in which >> case we're going to need a lot of prison like environments to house the >> unemployed. > > Has any of this happened yet ? The fact is that it is low tek "3rd > world" and socialist countries like France that have large portions of > unemployed . The US has had historically low unemployment for quite a > long time . > > _______________________ > > > I am a photographer and video journalist. I worked for a local CNN affiliate > here in DEAlaware. > > About ten years ago, the cable group that I worked for built a high tech > studio about 50 miles north of here. Instead of studio camera operators, > Chyron programmers and switcher operators, as well as producer, director, on > air talent, reporters and ENG camera operators they automated as much of the > operation as possible. > > This is being seen throughout the television industry, and has reduced the > multiple camera shoot to such a point that outside of reporters and on air > talent, it takes only a producer and director to run everything else. It > looks sucky to anyone who knows what they are looking at and makes all news > production look like tabloid news - and it ain't just the piss poor > reporting, guys. In general, the product simply lacks the professional look > it once had. BUT it appeals to both the lowest common denominator of > humanity, as well as the bottom line of an industry raking in the largest > profits ever seen. > > Even in the field, automated tripods have eliminated the need for ENG > videographers and photographers. Either the camera bots are run by the > director, or the reporter (if such a term is accurate any longer) is tracked > by software that detects their position. > > BUT - now what do I do? I have a masters in film making and photography, and > nearly three decades of experience. I write fairly well and I am one of the > shrinking group of journalist videographers with real ethics. There are > perhaps five to ten thousand of us all over the country no with no job. > > All thanks to piss poor automation creating a greater bottom line for > impersonal corporations who don't give a squat for the human costs, or that > they are contributing to a lack of art right where it is needed the most. > > The auto industry, both through the loss of work under NAFTA, but also > through the heavy handed intrusion of automation, has lead to the > degradation of the product, as well as the degradation of auto workers. Just > a decade ago (or maybe a little more - the dates are slipping my memory > right now) there were over 400 thousand auto workers. Now, there are less > than 80,000. > > Most of those people were either forced into early retirement or had to take > inferior jobs, since what they knew, what they were educated to do, was no > longer a job. The government and industry has completely failed to provide > educational opportunities to keep the auto workers, let alone the more elite > and arguably more highly trained and specialized videographer journalists > and related workers, to keep us all employed in a meaningful way. > > No one will hire many of us (I now return to speak of my cohort of > videographer/photographer journalists). And it certainly seems to many of us > that part of the line that has been drawn follows the edge to eliminate > those with the best and strongest ethics. > > At 55, am I supposed to retire on piss poor retirement packages that have > stagnated because I can not find real work? My mom died at age 83. Probably > mostly because she smoked. Her mom, who did not smoke, live to be 101. My > father is very similar, and our generation is expected to push even that > envelope. > > Should highly educated people be forced to take demeaning "service industry" > jobs at wages that will still require us to dip into retirement savings if > we expect to not have to eat dog food, give up cars, all forms of > independent living all together and live in ghettos? > > More education certainly has failed to help me, as well. > > Now I go to interviews only to be told that I am too highly educated. > > The Department of labor tells us to take menial work at crappy wages that in > spite of recent increases are worth less than they were ten years ago. > > To illustrate the problem further, I note that a local supermarket manager > has told me that, with automated checkouts and other automation innovations > he had to accept because the owning corporation demanded it, he now has > about a quarter of the checkout and other customer oriented workers than he > had a mere ten years ago. His entire store is run with a third less workers > than it used to take. > > Yet, in that same period of time the corporation has increased prices by > more than ten to twenty times. A bag of potatoes that used to sell for fifty > cents is now $5. A steak that sold for $.30 a pound is now well over $5 a > pound. Cereals and grains that used to cost pennies now cost anywhere from > $2 a pound to over $5 a pound. > > And, that is all happening while automation steals the jobs of even the > unskilled laborers who used to dig potatoes, feed the cows, run the > equipment, run the packers, drive the trucks and even the cash registers. > > And, with automation forcing hundreds of thousands of people to accept > really crappy, meaningless jobs with no future at less than a quarter of > what they used to make, who can buy any product at these inflated prices? > > At our present rate of the invasion of automation, it seems to me that more > people are being forced into poverty, while corporate entities rake in > record breaking profits. > > It is happening NOW. This is not some futuristic, sci-fi prediction. > > The US unemployment rate? > > Let's examine the fallacy that the unemployment rate is lower. > > What a sack of shit that claim is. > > First, unemployment rates do NOT measure how many people are actually out of > a job, let alone how many are underemployed. The unemployment rate does not > include people in prison or in the military. It does not count students who > still need to work to pay for life while in school, but can not find it. It > does not even count how many people really need work, but have simply given > up because work just is not there. > > What the unemployment rate measures is how many people are still looking for > work against how many have or find a job. Period. > > The number is a complete fallacy, disconnected from reality. I doubt the > integrity of anyone who depends on that number to prove their arguments, as > they should know these facts, and should make that clear in their arguments. > To do anything else is disingenuous, dishonest, and unethical. > > The reality is, that if one looks at the number of people who should be > eligible for employment, and compares the number actually employed, less > than half of those who should be eligible for employment can find jobs. > Compared with only ten years ago, while still way to fucking high a number, > people who were eligible but did not find employment meant that almost 60 > percent of eligible people were working. > > Thanks, automation! I feel better that after spending $200,00 on an > education, and with thirty years of experience in my field, that I can toss > burgers in a bag for less than minimum wage (remember, restaurants, even > fast food restaurants, are an exempt industry). > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 > 8:20 PM > > > > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: (]=- > (][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][) > -=[) ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=- > > --- MailScanner --- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. > > -- Bob Armstrong -- www.CoSy.com -- 719-337-2733 New upload : 4th.CoSy http://www.cosy.com/CoSy/ will be presented in tutorial at APL2007 , Montreal Oct 22 From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Thu Sep 27 14:37:58 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:37:58 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] Plane that crashed in Yucatan with 3.2 tons of cocaine was CIA rendition aircraft Message-ID: <00a101c80135$86ec59b0$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> ----- Original Message ----- From: RoadsEnd To: Cia-drugs Cia-drugs Cc: RoadsEnd Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Plane that crashed in Yucatan with 3.2 tons of cocaine was CIA rendition aircraft http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070925_5 Sept. 26, 2007 -- SPECIAL REPORT -- Plane that crashed in Yucatan with 3.2 tons of cocaine was CIA rendition aircraft publication date: Sep 25, 2007?? Previous | Next ? Sept. 26, 2007 --?SPECIAL?REPORT --?Plane that crashed in Yucatan with 3.2 tons of cocaine was CIA rendition aircraft WMR has learned from knowledgeable European sources that a Gulfstream II that crash landed 1.3 miles from Tikokob in Yucatan, Mexico after being chased by Mexican military helicopters for flying illegally into Mexican airspace was one of the planes chartered to the CIA for the renditioning of kidnapped prisoners. The crash landing took place on September 24. The tail number of the Gulfstream is N987SA. Mexican soldiers found no bodies at the crash site but did discover 132 bags containing 3.3 metric tons of cocaine. The origination of the Gulfstream's flight is unknown but it was destined for Cancun?when it crash landed. Police later said they had arrested one passenger who was on board the plane. The operator of the Gulfstream is Donna Blue Aircraft, Inc. of Coconut Creek, Florida. Its address, according to the Florida Division of Corporations, is 4811 Lyons Technology, Coconut Creek, Florida 33073. ? On June 10, 2006, WMR reported that the N987SA Grumman G-1159, Gulfstream II, was operated by S/A Holdings LLC and had been involved in the renditioning of prisoners to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.? On April 21, 2006, WMR reported on a similar incident involving a plane connected with the U.S. government: "On April 10, Mexican police, acting on a tip from INTERPOL, seized a DC-9 aircraft carrying 5.5 tons of cocaine with an estimated street value of $100 million. The U.S.-registered plane was en route from Caracas, Venezuela, which, according to French intelligence, is a known hub for cocaine shipments from Colombia to Saudi Arabia. The DC-9 (registration number N900SA) made an emergency landing at Ciudad del Carmen in Campeche state. A Falcon aircraft that arrived at Ciudad del Carmen from Toluca airport in Mexico state in advance of the arrival of the DC-9 was also seized. The cocaine was contained in 128 suitcases.? The Mexican police later claimed the unidentified DC-9's pilot managed to escape. However, the police did arrest the co-pilot.? The DC-9 was painted in the familiar blue and white colors of the U.S. Transportation Security Administration with am official-looking seal with an American eagle bearing the inscription: 'Sky Way Aircraft - Protection of America's Skies.' The registered owner of the aircraft is: Royal Sons Inc., 15875 Fairchild Drive, Clearwater, Florida." WMR has obtained from our European sources some of N987SA's past possible flights on behalf of the CIA: >From April 7 to April 12, 2004, the CIA rendition plane flew from Long Island/Farmingdale to Gander, Newfoundland; London Luton; Gander; Long Island/Farmingdale; Oxford, Connecticut; Washington, DC; Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; Washington, DC; York, Pennsylvania; Hudson, New York; and Bedford, Massachusetts. On April 21, 2004, N987SA flew from Long Island/Farmingdale to Gander, to Paris, France; to London; to Goose Bay, Labrador; and back to Farmingdale, New York. On January 20, 2005, the Gulfstream flew from Oxford, Connecticut to Washington, DC, to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; and returned to Washington and Oxford. The aircraft also touched down in several Caribbean locations including Barbados; Aruba; Montego Bay, Jamaica; Higuey and Puerto Plata,?Dominican Republic; St. Thomas; San Juan and Aguadilla, Puerto Rico, Nassau, Bahamas, St. Kitts; Cancun, Mexico; Pointe-a-Pitre, Guadeloupe; and St. Lucia, in addition to Kailua/Kona, Kahului, and Honolulu, Hawaii, Bermuda, and Jackson, Wyoming. ? ? = -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1033 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 11:06 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070927/6cd90a86/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 83101 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070927/6cd90a86/attachment-0001.jpeg From kvi354 at telus.net Thu Sep 27 15:27:52 2007 From: kvi354 at telus.net (Kev) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:27:52 -0700 Subject: [DrugWar] (no subject) References: <074490E8-3F90-4D5E-8B1F-4D7A625E7C19@phantom.com> Message-ID: <004d01c8013c$7fd83340$2cced8cf@bc.hsia.telus.net> Hi - please excuse if this is not the proper place to send this, but I have suddenly started getting many many "Drug War" postings in my e-mail. I keep trying to "unsubscribe" but it never works. I do not rmember ever signing on with Drug War, but I am an addict so maybe... ya know.... Can yu help get me unsubscribed so I can have my inbox back again? [seriously] - kvi at telus.net. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick K. Kroupa" To: "Priceless Information / White Noise" ; "The War on Consciousness" ; Sent: September 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: [DrugWar] (no subject) > If you've had a message you tried to post, that got kicked back to > you, sorry. It ain't the FBI, Secret Service, DEA, or Thought Police > this time, it's our OpenBSD firewall coming to life. The ro0Lz need > some, ahum, tuning. Please try again, it's not personal, it's not > THE MAN, mahn, it's just figuring out which of 10,000 different > settings can continue to cruise along in Insanely paranoiD mode, and > which ones need to be kicked back a few notches. > > If you have had something rejected that you tried to post. PLEASE > FORWARD IT TO ME, including the headers (if you know how), if you > don't know how to show headers, don't worry 'bout it, just forward > the message to me. 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Message-ID: <024001c80194$db71b930$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> The jet, carrying the tail number N987SA, changed hands twice in recent weeks. But how it ended up in the hands of suspected drug traffickers remains a mystery. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/20060.html Who owned drug plane that crashed in Mexico? By Jay Root and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers MEXICO CITY - U.S. authorities are assisting the Mexican government in the investigation of an American business jet that crashed in Cancun this week with four tons of cocaine on board, officials said Thursday. One of the men listed as the registered owners of the plane, Joao Luiz Malago, said in a telephone interview from Brazil that his Florida-based company sold the aircraft for $2 million on Sept. 16 to a Lakeland, Fla., man and his partner, who Malago believed was from Miami. Malago said he feared the man was dead because he hasn't been picking up the phone. Officials at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico had no information on any American citizens being killed or arrested in connection with the aircraft, a 1975 model Gulfstream II. "We're in the process of a judicial investigation that the Mexican government is conducting and we are providing information,'' said an embassy official, who wasn't authorized to speak on the record. "Part of that investigation is to find out more about where this plane came from and who had it before.'' Some news reports have linked the plane to the transport of terrorist suspects to the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but those reports cite logs that indicate only that the plane flew twice between Washington, D.C., and Guantanamo and once between Oxford, Conn., and Guantanamo. No terrorist suspects are known to have been transferred to Guantanamo directly from the United States. The jet, carrying the tail number N987SA, changed hands twice in recent weeks. But how it ended up in the hands of suspected drug traffickers remains a mystery. The Mexican attorney general's office said the blue and white Gulfstream II crashed on Monday in a remote jungle area on the Yucatan Peninsula. Authorities seized 132 bags of cocaine weighing four tons. Two men were arrested and jailed on drug trafficking charges in Merida, officials said. They declined to identify the men, however. The aircraft was sold on Aug. 30 to Donna Blue Aircraft, owned by two Brazilians: Malago and his partner Eduardo Dias Guimaraes. In separate telephone interviews from different parts of Brazil, both men said they'd sold the aircraft to two Florida men on Sept. 16. "We are not the owners of the plane," said Guimaraes, reached in Goiania in central Brazil. He deferred most questions to his partner, Malago, who said from Sao Paulo that Donna Blue purchased the aircraft in July from a company that had owned it for 10 years, and then flipped it quickly to two Florida businessmen who paid for it in full. McClatchy is withholding the names of the alleged new owners of the plane because they couldn't be reached for confirmation. The Gulfstream was awaiting documentation when it departed on Sept. 18 at 5:10 pm from Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport to Toluca, outside Mexico City, Malago said. He said he learned of Monday's crash after receiving a call from an insurance company, but had been unable to reach the new owner by phone and feared he was dead. He said he knew nothing of the plane's history or what use it had been put to previously. He said he'd been a pilot for 25 years and had bought and sold planes throughout Latin America. "Generally you don't know the history of the plane," he said. At the time of the Guantanamo flights, the plane's operation was managed by Air Rutter International, a California-based air charter service, but was owned by someone else. Air Rutter's owner, Bill Cripe, refused to identify that owner, except to say he was a reputable businessman. Cripe also said he didn't know about any flights to Guantanamo. (Root, of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reported from Mexico City. Hall reported from Washington.) McClatchy Newspapers 2007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070928/ff5ca40f/attachment.htm From newsroom-l at netspace.org Fri Sep 28 06:37:57 2007 From: newsroom-l at netspace.org (Newsroom-l) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:37:57 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] Who owned drug plane that crashed in Mexico? In-Reply-To: <024001c80194$db71b930$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> References: <024001c80194$db71b930$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> Message-ID: <46FCD985.5000702@netspace.org> Vigilius Haufniensis wrote: > By Jay Root and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers > > MEXICO CITY ? U.S. authorities are assisting the Mexican government in > the investigation of an American business jet that crashed in Cancun It didn't crash in Cancun. -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/ From newsroom-l at netspace.org Fri Sep 28 08:15:02 2007 From: newsroom-l at netspace.org (Newsroom-l) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:15:02 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] More on the 'Cancun' cocaine jet Message-ID: <46FCF046.3020708@netspace.org> The plane did not crash in Cancun. It didn't even crash in the same state (Quintana Roo), but in the town of Tixkokob in the state of Yucatan, Mexico, 160 miles from here, and about 37 miles from M?rida. It did spend five days in Cancun before leaving for Colombia, where it loaded the cocaine, but it's a bit strange to see its crash location listed as Cancun, when it was actually so close to Merida, a city with a population of 734,153, almost 200,000 greater than Cancun. This is a little like reporting a location outside of Boston as being in New York City. For more on the plane's itinerary see: *La ruta del narcoavi?n fue Canc?n-Colombia-M?rida * La Cr?nica de Hoy - Distrito Federal, Mexico De acuerdo con personal de la Procuradur?a General de la Rep?blica (PGR) la semana pasada lleg? a Canc?n procedente de Florida y de ah? parti? a Colombia. -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/ -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070928/c0c24c05/attachment.htm From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Fri Sep 28 14:51:20 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:51:20 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] More on the 'Cancun' cocaine jet References: <46FCF046.3020708@netspace.org> Message-ID: <00e601c80200$90508230$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> the weirdness never ceases. ----- Original Message ----- From: Newsroom-l To: The War on Consciousness Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [DrugWar] More on the 'Cancun' cocaine jet The plane did not crash in Cancun. It didn't even crash in the same state (Quintana Roo), but in the town of Tixkokob in the state of Yucatan, Mexico, 160 miles from here, and about 37 miles from M?rida. It did spend five days in Cancun before leaving for Colombia, where it loaded the cocaine, but it's a bit strange to see its crash location listed as Cancun, when it was actually so close to Merida, a city with a population of 734,153, almost 200,000 greater than Cancun. This is a little like reporting a location outside of Boston as being in New York City. For more on the plane's itinerary see: La ruta del narcoavi?n fue Canc?n-Colombia-M?rida La Cr?nica de Hoy - Distrito Federal, Mexico De acuerdo con personal de la Procuradur?a General de la Rep?blica (PGR) la semana pasada lleg? a Canc?n procedente de Florida y de ah? parti? a Colombia. -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/ -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -=[) :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: (]=- (][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][) -=[) ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: 9/27/2007 5:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070928/ba818226/attachment.htm From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Fri Sep 28 15:05:28 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:05:28 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] Shades of Mena -- "War on Terror" jet crashes, tons of cocaine found on board Message-ID: <029501c80202$88ec8050$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> they keep saying cancun. ----- Original Message ----- From: RoadsEnd To: Cia-drugs Cia-drugs Cc: RoadsEnd Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: [cia-drugs] Fwd: Shades of Mena -- "War on Terror" jet crashes, tons of cocaine found on board Begin forwarded message: From: DasGOAT at aol.com Date: September 28, 2007 8:55:44 AM PDT To: RoadsEnd at aol.com Cc: jim6263 at cwnet.com, JusB at aol.com, garyn2000 at yahoo.com, wmreditor at waynemadsenreport.com, christian.ream at gmail.com Subject: Shades of Mena -- "War on Terror" jet crashes, tons of cocaine found on board Guantanamo transport plane crashes with four tons of cocaine on board Who owned drug plane that crashed in Mexico? 27 Sep 2007 U.S. authorities are assisting the Mexican government in the investigation of an American business jet that crashed in Cancun this week with four tons of cocaine on board, officials said Thursday. Some news reports are linking the plane to the CIA's transport of terrorist suspects to Guantanamo. Those reports cite logs that indicate that the plane flew twice between Washington DC and Guantanamo and once between Oxford, Conn., and Guantanamo. (Must have been a "local" flight. Most of them are carrying opium from Afghanistan.) Who owned drug plane that crashed in Mexico? By Jay Root and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/20060.html MEXICO CITY ? U.S. authorities are assisting the Mexican government in the investigation of an American business jet that crashed in Cancun this week with four tons of cocaine on board, officials said Thursday. One of the men listed as the registered owners of the plane, Joao Luiz Malago, said in a telephone interview from Brazil that his Florida-based company sold the aircraft for $2 million on Sept. 16 to a Lakeland, Fla., man and his partner, who Malago believed was from Miami. Malago said he feared the man was dead because he hasn't been picking up the phone. Officials at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico had no information on any American citizens being killed or arrested in connection with the aircraft, a 1975 model Gulfstream II. "We're in the process of a judicial investigation that the Mexican government is conducting and we are providing information,'' said an embassy official, who wasn't authorized to speak on the record. "Part of that investigation is to find out more about where this plane came from and who had it before.'' Some news reports have linked the plane to the transport of terrorist suspects to the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but those reports cite logs that indicate only that the plane flew twice between Washington, D.C., and Guantanamo and once between Oxford, Conn., and Guantanamo. No terrorist suspects are known to have been transferred to Guantanamo directly from the United States. The jet, carrying the tail number N987SA, changed hands twice in recent weeks. But how it ended up in the hands of suspected drug traffickers remains a mystery. The Mexican attorney general's office said the blue and white Gulfstream II crashed on Monday in a remote jungle area on the Yucatan Peninsula. Authorities seized 132 bags of cocaine weighing four tons. Two men were arrested and jailed on drug trafficking charges in Merida, officials said. They declined to identify the men, however. The aircraft was sold on Aug. 30 to Donna Blue Aircraft, owned by two Brazilians: Malago and his partner Eduardo Dias Guimaraes. In separate telephone interviews from different parts of Brazil, both men said they'd sold the aircraft to two Florida men on Sept. 16. "We are not the owners of the plane," said Guimaraes, reached in Goiania in central Brazil. He deferred most questions to his partner, Malago, who said from Sao Paulo that Donna Blue purchased the aircraft in July from a company that had owned it for 10 years, and then flipped it quickly to two Florida businessmen who paid for it in full. McClatchy is withholding the names of the alleged new owners of the plane because they couldn't be reached for confirmation. The Gulfstream was awaiting documentation when it departed on Sept. 18 at 5:10 pm from Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport to Toluca, outside Mexico City, Malago said. He said he learned of Monday's crash after receiving a call from an insurance company, but had been unable to reach the new owner by phone and feared he was dead. He said he knew nothing of the plane's history or what use it had been put to previously. He said he'd been a pilot for 25 years and had bought and sold planes throughout Latin America. "Generally you don't know the history of the plane," he said. At the time of the Guantanamo flights, the plane's operation was managed by Air Rutter International, a California-based air charter service, but was owned by someone else. Air Rutter's owner, Bill Cripe, refused to identify that owner, except to say he was a reputable businessman. Cripe also said he didn't know about any flights to Guantanamo. (Root, of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reported from Mexico City. Hall reported from Washington.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __._,_.___ Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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It didn't even crash in the same state (Quintana Roo), but in the town of Tixkokob in the state of Yucatan, Mexico, 160 miles from here, and about 37 miles from M?rida. It did spend five days in Cancun before leaving for Colombia, where it loaded the cocaine, but it's a bit strange to see its crash location listed as Cancun, when it was actually so close to Merida, a city with a population of 734,153, almost 200,000 greater than Cancun. This is a little like reporting a location outside of Boston as being in New York City. For more on the plane's itinerary see: La ruta del narcoavi?n fue Canc?n-Colombia-M?rida La Cr?nica de Hoy - Distrito Federal, Mexico De acuerdo con personal de la Procuradur?a General de la Rep?blica (PGR) la semana pasada lleg? a Canc?n procedente de Florida y de ah? parti? a Colombia. -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. 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Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/ From thehatefulnerd at comcast.net Fri Sep 28 17:38:27 2007 From: thehatefulnerd at comcast.net (Vigilius Haufniensis) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:38:27 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] STEINBERG SAYS RICKY STILL HAS IT Message-ID: <014001c80217$e81e6ab0$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm STEINBERG SAYS RICKY STILL HAS IT Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com takes a look at the coming reinstatement application of Dolphins running back Ricky Williams. Agent Leigh Steinberg tells Marvez that Williams plans to apply for reinstatement on October 2, and that Williams could spent a lot more time in the NFL. "He's only 30 and could have six or seven more productive years," Steinberg said. "Because of how incredibly disciplined he is with his diet and training, he could have five years of being among the league leaders in rushing and a franchise-builder for a team." The only problem is that, with Williams one Grateful Dead concert away from an indefinite banishment, who could afford to take that risk? Indeed, Williams' "incredible discipline" when it comes to his diet and training has hardly been matched by his "incredible discipline" when it comes to keeping prohibited substances out of his system. In the past three years, Williams has spent one season in retirement, 75 percent of one season playing football, and (as of Sunday) one season and a quarter of another on suspension. So the concern remains in league circles that Ricky might like smoking weed more than he likes playing football. With former Saints G.M. Randy Mueller, who traded Williams to the Dolphins five years ago, running the show in South Florida, we can't imagine the Fins giving Ricky yet another second chance. If he's reinstated before the October 16 trading deadline (which is highly unlikely), we suspect that the Dolphins would try to ship him out of town. If he's reinstated after October 16, the team could cut him -- unless his reinstatement comes with only a handful of regular-season games left to play. In that case, they'd likely hold his rights and trade him in March. But none of that is relevant if he isn't reinstated. He failed to secure reinstatement in May, reportedly because he failed a drug test. Given his history, we think that staying clean for the duration of the extension to the suspension would be an Appalachian State-style upset. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/drugwar/attachments/20070928/f20ec40c/attachment.htm From tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca Fri Sep 28 22:15:41 2007 From: tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca (Tim Meehan) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:15:41 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Video: "Bernie and Ert" on drugs References: Message-ID: <3F19A0F3-519C-4A2F-939B-A6FB75AC37F2@connect.carleton.ca> > > Bernie and Ert on drugs (english version) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvj_UvWRBes > > From tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca Fri Sep 28 22:21:19 2007 From: tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca (Tim Meehan) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:21:19 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] CN YK: Drug dog would drive student from school References: <0JP300B64TC0IMG8@l-daemon> Message-ID: "It's all about her. What about the 700 other kids?" said lawyer Rick Buchan. > You can't bring a peanut within 500 yards of most schools nowdays > because a few kids have allergies. Why should dogs be different? --- > Source: Whitehorse Star (CN YK) > Copyright: 2007 Whitehorse Star > Contact: letters at whitehorsestar.com > Website: http://www.whitehorsestar.com/ > Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/1493 > Webpage: http://www.whitehorsestar.com/auth.php?r=48673 > Author: Stephanie Waddell > Newshawk: Educators For Sensible Drug Policy: http://www.efsdp.org > > September 28, 2007 > > Drug dog would drive student from school > > By STEPHANIE WADDELL > > A Porter Creek Secondary School student who suffers severe > allergies to animals would be forced to seek her high school > education elsewhere if the Canines for Safer Schools program > brings a dog into the building. > > Yukon Supreme Court Justice Ron Veale heard that argument this > morning. > > The student's family is seeking an injunction which would prevent > the dog from coming into the school each day, as the family seeks > a judicial review of the Yukon Human Rights Commission decision > against it. > > The commission ruled last month the dog, Ebony, could come into > the school. After mediation in the matter failed last week, the > case was brought back to Yukon Supreme Court this morning. > > The student's identity is protected under a publication ban. > > Under the program, school resource officer Doug Green would bring > Ebony into the high school each day. It would be a way of > deterring students from bringing drugs to school and educating > them on drugs and other issues. > > Sharleen Dumont, the lawyer for the student's family, told court > the student has been advised by doctors throughout her life to > stay away from animals because of serious allergies. > > They have caused hives, swelling and itching on occasions when > she's come into contact with animals. > > Told the allergies could become more serious to the point of being > fatal, the student carries an EpiPen with her in case of shock. > > She would not attend the school if the dog was there, Dumont told > the court. > > "They're not trying to stop the program," Dumont said of the > student's family. > > The family had proposed the dog come in on occasion to sniff > lockers, with a warning given so the student could stay away from > the school at those times. > > Random checks once a week would "severely" dilute the > effectiveness of the program, Richard Buchan, the lawyer for > Porter Creek's school council, said during his submissions. > > The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms also requires that for > a search of lockers to take place, there has to be reasonable > cause, Buchan said. > > Dumont focused on the hardship the student would face by > essentially being chased out of the school she has attended since > Grade 8, by a dog. > > Both Buchan and Porter Creek Secondary School lawyer Penelope Gawn > focused their attention on the damage it would cause to other > students in the school if the program was not started. > > "This is an emergency," Buchan said of the students at the school > being exposed to drugs every day. > > While other measures have been taken at the school to deter > students from drug use, they haven't been successful. Evidence > from other programs in Alberta show the new program could be > successful with the dog. > > "Canines for safer schools is definitely a measure for the public > good," Buchan said. > > Gawn noted the protocol for the initiative sets out ways to deal > with allergies by not having the animal in classrooms with those > allergic to dogs and having the students avoid the dog in the hall. > > "That is still the plan," she said, arguing the school doesn't > want the student to leave and that with the protocol, the student > won't have to. > > "That's her choice," Gawn said. > > Buchan argued that any hardship the student might experience by > switching schools could be addressed. > > He noted that if she's involved in sports at Porter Creek, for > instance, she could be involved in sports at another school she > may attend. > > The lawyer pointed out that a test for the allergy hasn't been > conducted yet, as was recommended in the human rights case. > > Gawn and Buchan also pointed out the program was voluntarily put > on hold for a full school year to accommodate the student while > the matter was before the human rights commission. > > To postpone it any further would be an undue hardship for the > school in addressing the drug problem, Gawn said. She pointed to > the amount of time those involved in the school have put into > getting the program in place. > > The matter was set to continue this afternoon. Yukon judge to decide whether to expel drug-sniffing dog from school http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2007/09/28/dog-school.html Yukon's top judge has reserved his ruling on whether a drug-sniffing dog should be kept out of a school because one of the students is allergic to it. Lawyers for the 15-year-old Whitehorse girl argued before the Yukon Supreme court on Friday that their client is being chased out of the school where friends and teachers have accommodated her for four years. The young teen, who has severe pet allergies, says she will be forced to stay home if the dog is allowed in the school. School lawyers argued that while they are sympathetic to her plight, the drug problem at Porter Creek Secondary is an emergency that must be addressed. According to school, the dog ensures anyone who walks onto the school grounds with drugs is identified. Lawyers for the school conceded that the girl may be inconvenienced, but that does not outweigh the rights of 700 students who deserve a drug-free environment at school. Continue Article "It's all about her. What about the 700 other kids?" said lawyer Rick Buchan. Government lawyers also questioned the severity of the girl's allergies, saying dog allergens are already present throughout the school. Justice Ron Veale said he will have his decision about the case at 10 a.m. Monday. From newsroom-l at netspace.org Sat Sep 29 09:04:51 2007 From: newsroom-l at netspace.org (Newsroom-l) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:04:51 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine' Message-ID: <46FE4D73.6070506@netspace.org> [Naomi Klein's book is reviewed today (excerpt below) in The New York Times. Her YouTube video, "The Shock Doctrine by Alfonso Cuar?n and Naomi Klein," is a terrifying look at what it really means to human beings like you and me. My mother was given at least thirty heavy shock treatments in the 1950's -- many of them in the psychiatrist's office, a few blocks away on the Grand Concourse in The Bronx. I still remember her shakily walking home on wobbly ankles in the darkening light of Walton Avenue, supported by my father. [As it turned out, she had been misdiagnosed, and the treatments not only damaged her mind forever, but were also useless. Sometimes we see the whole world in a single moment that is preserved forever in memory, but we don't really know what it means until it is too late to do anything about it, if anything at all can be done, in fact. I urge you to watch the video, if only to get a hint of what I am trying to say here, and what my life and work have been about. --JS] "Always we shall have the heretic here at our mercy, screaming with pain, broken up, contemptible -- and in the end utterly penitent, saved from himself, crawling to our feet of his own accord. That is the world that we are preparing, Winston." --George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism - Naomi Klein Bleakonomics By JOSEPH E. STIGLITZ [Excerpt] "The Shock Doctrine" is Klein's ambitious look at the economic history of the last 50 years and the rise of free-market fundamentalism around the world. "Disaster capitalism," as she calls it, is a violent system that sometimes requires terror to do its job. Like Pol Pot proclaiming that Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge was in Year Zero, extreme capitalism loves a blank slate, often finding its opening after crises or "shocks." For example, Klein argues, the Asian crisis of 1997 paved the way for the International Monetary Fund to establish programs in the region and for a sell-off of many state-owned enterprises to Western banks and multinationals. The 2004 tsunami enabled the government of Sri Lanka to force the fishermen off beachfront property so it could be sold to hotel developers. The destruction of 9/11 allowed George W. Bush to launch a war aimed at producing a free-market Iraq. In an early chapter, Klein compares radical capitalist economic policy to shock therapy administered by psychiatrists. She interviews Gail Kastner [See more at ], a victim of covert C.I.A. experiments in interrogation techniques that were carried out by the scientist Ewen Cameron in the 1950s. His idea was to use electroshock therapy to break down patients. Once "complete depatterning" had been achieved, the patients could be reprogrammed. But after breaking down his "patients," Cameron was never able to build them back up again. The connection with a rogue C.I.A. scientist is overdramatic and unconvincing, but for Klein the larger lessons are clear: "Countries are shocked -- by wars, terror attacks, coups d'?tat and natural disasters." Then "they are shocked again ? by corporations and politicians who exploit the fear and disorientation of this first shock to push through economic shock therapy." People who "dare to resist" are shocked for a third time, "by police, soldiers and prison interrogators." -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/ From rlake at mapinc.org Sat Sep 29 11:06:12 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:06:12 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Web: Hot Off The 'Net and What YOU Can Do This Week Message-ID: <20070929151245.ENRO14098.aarprv06.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: DSW - The Original On-Line Drug Policy Weekly Pubdate: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 Source: DrugSense Weekly (DSW) Webpage: http://www.drugsense.org/current.htm Website: http://www.drugsense.org HOT OFF THE 'NET MARIJUANA ARRESTS FOR YEAR 2006 - 829,625 TOPS RECORD HIGH Nearly 6 Percent Increase Over 2005 http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7370 ---------------------------------- THE FEDERAL WAR ON MEDICAL MARIJUANA BECOMES A WAR ON CHILDREN Why risk provoking the American public's outrage by escalating its war on medical marijuana patients? By Dan Bernath http://alternet.org/drugreporter/62330/ ---------------------------------- SEVEN YEARS OF PLAN COLOMBIA AND LITTLE HAS CHANGED IN PUTUMAYO by Kyle Johnson http://www.colombiajournal.org/colombia264.htm ---------------------------------- CULTURAL BAGGAGE RADIO SHOW Last: 09/21/07 - Tony Papa of Drug Policy Alliance + Barry Hargrove, Deborah Vagins & Dr. Ken Collins + Official Govt. Truth Audio: http://drugtruth.net/007DTNaudio/FDBCB_092107.mp3 ---------------------------------- VETERANS FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA ACCESS http://www.veteransformedicalmarijuana.org/ ---------------------------------- WHY DO POLICE REALLY OPPOSE MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION? by Scott Morgan The superb efforts of our friends at Law Enforcement Against Prohibition notwithstanding, police generally oppose efforts to reform marijuana laws. http://stopthedrugwar.org/user/smorgan ---------------------------------- CBS 60 MINUTES - STORE-FRONT POT In case you missed it, the video is online. http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3290068n ---------------------------------- WHAT YOU CAN DO THIS WEEK WRITE A LETTER Chronic Pain Patient Pardoned - A DrugSense Focus Alert. http://www.mapinc.org/alert/0354.html From bob at cosy.com Sat Sep 29 12:59:41 2007 From: bob at cosy.com (Bob Armstrong) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:59:41 -0600 Subject: [DrugWar] Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine' In-Reply-To: <46FE4D73.6070506@netspace.org> References: <46FE4D73.6070506@netspace.org> Message-ID: <46FE847D.6030203@cosy.com> Incoherent dishonest babbling . Really idiotic . Here's a video I rather like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK-QR88yfOE . Newsroom-l wrote: > [Naomi Klein's book is reviewed today (excerpt below) in The New York Times. Her > YouTube video, "The Shock Doctrine by Alfonso Cuar?n and Naomi Klein," > is a terrifying look at what it really > means to human beings like you and me. -- Bob Armstrong -- www.CoSy.com -- 719-337-2733 New upload : 4th.CoSy http://www.cosy.com/CoSy/ will be presented in tutorial at APL2007 , Montreal Oct 22 From digitalcomponents at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 13:19:55 2007 From: digitalcomponents at gmail.com (Nyc W. Alberts) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:19:55 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fw=3A_Demande_de_confirmation_d=27inscri?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ption_=E0_assawra?= In-Reply-To: <02eb01c80202$e57cca50$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> References: <02eb01c80202$e57cca50$8802a8c0@YOURB128060B3F> Message-ID: <46FE893B.2030700@gmail.com> Vigilius Haufniensis wrote: > i keep gettubg this everytime i get a post from drugwar. > . Somehow this French Yahoo group http://tinyurl.com/22pocw called "assawra" is subbed to this list. I'd suggest using a filter for the time being until Preston re-emerges. Or try subbing that Yahoo group and ask the moderator to pull the sub to here from that group. ~Nyc . > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yahoo! Groupes" > > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:06 PM > Subject: Demande de confirmation d'inscription ? assawra > > > > Bonjour, > > Nous avons re?u votre demande d'inscription au groupe > assawra sur Yahoo! Groupes, le nouveau service de > communaut?s de Yahoo!. Pour vous inscrire, vous devez confirmer votre > demande en r?pondant ? ce message. > > Si vous n'avez pas demand? ou ne souhaitez pas vous inscrire au groupe > assawra, veuillez ignorer ce message. > > > Cordialement, > > L'?quipe support Yahoo! Groupes > > > L'utilisation du service Yahoo! Groupes est soumise ? l'acceptation des > Conditions d'utilisation et de la Charte sur la vie priv?e, disponibles > respectivement sur http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/info/utos.html et > http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/info/privacy.html > > > > > > > From newsroom-l at netspace.org Sat Sep 29 14:37:59 2007 From: newsroom-l at netspace.org (Newsroom-l) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:37:59 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine' In-Reply-To: <46FE847D.6030203@cosy.com> References: <46FE4D73.6070506@netspace.org> <46FE847D.6030203@cosy.com> Message-ID: <46FE9B87.1000201@netspace.org> Bob Armstrong wrote: > Incoherent dishonest babbling . Really idiotic . What are you talking about? If you have any specific instances of incoherent dishonest babbling to point out, let us see what you have to say. -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/ From bob at cosy.com Sat Sep 29 15:24:05 2007 From: bob at cosy.com (Bob Armstrong) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:24:05 -0600 Subject: [DrugWar] Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine' In-Reply-To: <46FE9B87.1000201@netspace.org> References: <46FE4D73.6070506@netspace.org> <46FE847D.6030203@cosy.com> <46FE9B87.1000201@netspace.org> Message-ID: <46FEA655.6020200@cosy.com> The logic reminds me of the "This is your brain on drugs" fried egg PSAs . Most of what she describes as "extreme capitalism" is various statist actions . How does she bring ultra-socialist Pol Pot in as a boogie man for free markets ? The Asian tsunami makes some point ? The whole thing is an buzzing illogical mishmash . Her comments on the effects of free markets are just plain bull shit . How come it's the extreme socialist regimes that have collapsed because of the wretched poverty they produced ? And , as exemplified by her plane into the WTC , governments like ours , both Bush and the congress , use shock events to ratchet up the state's powers , not individual freedom . And to claim Bush's , and the republicans , and the democrats attack on and occupation of Iraq had anything to do with free markets is asinine . Newsroom-l wrote: > Bob Armstrong wrote: > >> Incoherent dishonest babbling . Really idiotic . > > What are you talking about? If you have any specific instances of incoherent > dishonest babbling to point out, let us see what you have to say. -- Bob Armstrong -- www.CoSy.com -- 719-337-2733 New upload : 4th.CoSy http://www.cosy.com/CoSy/ will be presented in tutorial at APL2007 , Montreal Oct 22 From newsroom-l at netspace.org Sat Sep 29 16:01:53 2007 From: newsroom-l at netspace.org (Newsroom-l) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:01:53 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine' In-Reply-To: <46FEA655.6020200@cosy.com> References: <46FE4D73.6070506@netspace.org> <46FE847D.6030203@cosy.com> <46FE9B87.1000201@netspace.org> <46FEA655.6020200@cosy.com> Message-ID: <46FEAF31.9070702@netspace.org> Bob Armstrong wrote: > The logic reminds me of the "This is your brain on drugs" fried egg PSAs . Actually, your message makes me think that your brain is fried on scorched earth capitalism. > Most of what she describes as "extreme capitalism" is various statist actions . At the behest of the corporations that control the states. > How does she bring ultra-socialist Pol Pot in as a boogie > man for free markets ? Go back and actually listen to her point. > The Asian tsunami makes some point ? Why, yes, Bob, it does. You're not really paying attention because you are so prejudiced in favor of free-markets that you don't want to understand this. You also have to read the review of her book. I posted an excerpt and a link. Did you do that? Go back and try again. -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/ From bob at cosy.com Sat Sep 29 23:10:33 2007 From: bob at cosy.com (Bob Armstrong) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:10:33 -0600 Subject: [DrugWar] Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine' In-Reply-To: <46FEAF31.9070702@netspace.org> References: <46FE4D73.6070506@netspace.org> <46FE847D.6030203@cosy.com> <46FE9B87.1000201@netspace.org> <46FEA655.6020200@cosy.com> <46FEAF31.9070702@netspace.org> Message-ID: <46FF13A9.7050408@cosy.com> Newsroom-l wrote: > Bob Armstrong wrote: > >> The logic reminds me of the "This is your brain on drugs" fried egg PSAs . > > Actually, your message makes me think that your brain is fried on scorched earth > capitalism. > >> Most of what she describes as "extreme capitalism" is various statist actions . > > At the behest of the corporations that control the states. That's not capitalism . That's traditionally ( Mussolini's usage ) Fascism . Now it's often called corporatism . But it fundamentally is a variety of statism which is socialism . By the very structure you posit , it clearly does not fit the simple meaning of "free markets" . >> How does she bring ultra-socialist Pol Pot in as a boogie >> man for free markets ? > > Go back and actually listen to her point. Got other priorities . Tell me what it is if you want . >> The Asian tsunami makes some point ? > > Why, yes, Bob, it does. You're not really paying attention because you are so > prejudiced in favor of free-markets that you don't want to understand this. You > also have to read the review of her book. I posted an excerpt and a link. Did > you do that? Go back and try again. How come you stopped before my mention of 911 and the Obvious shift to statism that has engendered - absolutely in the opposite direction of any freedom . I just saw pictures of the tsunami without any point being made . Was there some example of free markets breaking out in the area ? Certainly lots of people must have made instantaneous uncoerced cooperative agreements with each other before any centralized authority could even respond . I did wonder what this Stiglitz got his nobel for . I strongly recommend Hayek's nobel speech for a model of humility . There ought to be a word "postjudiced" because the longer I see the people ( politicians of both parties ) who perpetuate the drug war ( and Iraq and ... ) extend their grip over other areas my economic choices , the more disgusted and scared I get . I do not understand how liberals have such faith in the morality , wisdom , and selflessness of the political class . To me that trust defies logic . -- Bob Armstrong -- www.CoSy.com -- 719-337-2733 New upload : 4th.CoSy http://www.cosy.com/CoSy/ will be presented in tutorial at APL2007 , Montreal Oct 22 From rlake at mapinc.org Sun Sep 30 08:21:18 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:21:18 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] US CA: State Still Hashing Out Medical Marijuana Rules Message-ID: <20070930122128.XZJO495.aarprv02.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: LTE How-To www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=310 Pubdate: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 Source: Contra Costa Times (CA) Copyright: 2007 Knight Ridder Contact: letters at cctimes.com Website: http://www.contracostatimes.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/96 Author: Harrison Sheppard, Medianews Sacramento Bureau Note: MediaNews staff writers Michael Manekin, Chris Metinko and Josh Richman contributed to this story. Cited: Americans for Safe Access http://www.americansforsafeaccess.org Referenced: Sensible Policies for Medical Marijuana Dispensaries in Los Angeles http://www.reason.org/pb57.pdf Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/dispensaries Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Proposition+215 Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mmj.htm (Marijuana - Medicinal) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Americans+for+Safe+Access STATE STILL HASHING OUT MEDICAL MARIJUANA RULES More Than 10 Years After Voters Spoke, a Surge in Dispensaries Has Cities and Counties Scrambling to Regulate, Fend Off DEA Highly publicized raids last month on three medical marijuana outlets in downtown San Mateo were the latest example of the continuing clash between state and federal officials over medicinal cannabis. And that clash is reverberating through communities across the state. More than a decade after Californians voted to legalize medical marijuana, an explosion of dispensaries and patients has cities and counties scrambling to regulate the operations. In San Mateo County, the Aug. 29 raids spurred county officials to begin drafting an ordinance to regulate the clinics. That process will likely take months, county Counsel Mike Murphy told MediaNews earlier this month. The raids surprised San Mateo Mayor Jack Matthews, who said he felt uneasy that four dispensaries in the city -- the three that were raided, and one that shut its doors after the Drug Enforcement Agency arrived -- had "popped up, seemingly overnight," he said in an earlier interview. The situation was similar to one in Alameda County in 2005, when the growth of medical cannabis dispensaries in unincorporated areas led officials to draft a ordinance limiting the number of outlets there to three -- down from seven that were operating in the area in 2004. Earlier this week, the city of Livermore joined Dublin and Pleasanton in banning medical marijuana dispensaries, saying the bad elements that such facilities bring to the area outweigh any public benefit. Many Contra Costa cities have banned dispensaries, including Concord, Antioch and Pleasant Hill. And in Los Angeles -- where the number of dispensaries soared from just a handful to more than 200 in the past two years -- city officials recently passed a moratorium on new clinics until they can develop guidelines. Hundreds of other cities up and down California have no regulations on medical marijuana dispensaries, including at least 28 where clinics or delivery services are operating, according to a MediaNews analysis. Law enforcement officials say a lack of local oversight could allow dispensaries to open near schools or parks, with no way for authorities to prevent it. "I think they could easily be surprised," said Modesto police Chief Roy Wasden, who heads a statewide task force on medical marijuana. "They're not prepared for the issues that will surround dispensaries opening up." According to Americans for Safe Access, a medical marijuana advocacy group, 27 cities and eight counties in California have ordinances allowing and regulating dispensaries. An additional 56 cities, including Dublin, Fremont, Pleasanton and South San Francisco, and three counties have enacted bans (which some advocates maintain are illegal), and 80 cities and seven counties, including Contra Costa, have imposed temporary moratoriums, according to Americans for Safe Access. In June 2005, Alameda County's Board of Supervisors passed a law limiting the number of marijuana dispensaries in unincorporated areas and establishing a selection process. Under the law, one dispensary is allowed to operate in each of the three zones created within the county's unincorporated areas: Ashland, San Lorenzo and Castro Valley. The new ordinance forced a handful of dispensaries in the county to shut down. Each of the three dispensaries with county permits must renew the permits every two years. The renewals are reviewed by county health and zoning departments and approved by the Alameda County Sheriff's Office. According to Capt. Dale Amaral of the sheriff's office, the county's ordinance is set to be reviewed by the board of supervisors sometime in the next several months -- something the board asked to do when it approved the rules in 2005. As part of the review, the sheriff's office and the county Department of Environmental Health have proposed two significant changes to the law -- one would allow the three licensed dispensaries in unincorporated Alameda County to carry hashish, and the other would outlaw those dispensaries from carrying any food made with marijuana. The remainder of the state's 478 incorporated cities and 58 counties have not addressed the issue. Across California, there are at least 400 known medical marijuana dispensaries -- and likely hundreds more that are unpublicized. About 15,000 Californians have registered for state medical-marijuana identification cards. Because the cards are voluntary and not required to obtain medical marijuana, officials cannot say with certainty how many people actually are seeking the drug. Pro-legalization groups estimate there are 150,000 to 200,000 medical-marijuana users in California -- up from about 30,000 five years ago. Law enforcement agencies remain concerned about the potential for unregulated dispensaries, with their stashes of drugs and cash, to attract crime to neighborhoods. And some of the facilities, they say, are simply profitmaking enterprises that sell at stiff prices to healthy youths and the seriously ill alike. The Los Angeles Police Department has reported an increase in crime near some facilities and has received complaints about activities, including one dispensary handing out fliers for free marijuana samples to students at Grant High School in Valley Glen. Alameda County authorities noted the same spike in crime near some facilities in unincorporated areas. Medical-marijuana advocates and some academic experts, however, say such concerns are overblown. "I think that's something that law enforcement is using as a tactic to spread fear," said Kris Hermes, a spokesman for Americans for Safe Access. "And to intimidate city and county officials from doing what's right and what's just, which is to establish protections for these facilities and, if necessary, regulate them in some sensible way." The Reason Foundation issued a report earlier this year saying that marijuana-related crimes have decreased since Proposition 215 -- allowing medical use of marijuana in California -- was passed by voters in 1996. "Common sense would say there's no reason why a well-regulated dispensary would add to ambient crime in the neighborhood at all," said report author Skaidra Smith-Heisters. The only factor that might contribute to crime, she said, "would be the fact that they're operating without any ground rules right now." Although the Bay Area was the first to embrace medical marijuana -- and its cities were the first to figure out how to handle dispensaries -- the fastest growth has shifted to Los Angeles, and especially the San Fernando Valley. Three years ago, the city had perhaps one or two known dispensaries. Today, there are at least 150 listed in directories maintained by advocacy groups. City and law enforcement officials say there are as many as 200 to 400. About half of the city's known dispensaries are in the San Fernando Valley, meaning a region that has about 5 percent of the state's population has 19 percent of its medical marijuana facilities -- more, in fact, than the entire Bay Area from San Jose to Marin County. The Los Angeles City Council recently placed a moratorium on the opening of new facilities while it figures out how to deal with the growth. Council members are generally sympathetic to dispensaries that are seen as helping the seriously ill, but they want to be able to regulate them and weed out the bad actors. Although California voters legalized medical marijuana in 1996, growth has occurred only recently because there had been confusion about how the law worked. In 2003, the state enacted legislation spelling out a series of specific regulations. The U.S. Supreme Court in 2005 essentially confirmed the validity of Prop. 215, but it also upheld the federal government's right to prosecute marijuana patients under federal law. Escalated tensions have followed those rulings. Angel Raich of Oakland and others sued the government in October 2002 to prevent any interference with their medical marijuana use. The Supreme Court, in a May 2001 ruling on the Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative, said there's no collective medical necessity exception to the federal ban, which defines marijuana as having no valid medical use. But it didn't rule on constitutional questions underlying the medical marijuana debate, so Raich and her lawyers tailored a case to raise those issues. In June 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 to uphold the federal ban, finding that even marijuana grown in backyards for personal medical use can affect or contribute to the illegal interstate market for marijuana and so is within Congress' constitutional reach. The case was remanded for review on other issues, but after a defeat in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals -- which ruled in March that medical necessity doesn't shield medical-marijuana users from federal prosecution, and medical marijuana use isn't a fundamental right protected by the Constitution's guarantee of due process of law -- Raich dropped the case in May. Oakland also is ground zero in another high-profile case demonstrating the clash between state and federal law. The self-proclaimed "Guru of Ganja" Ed Rosenthal, 62, of Oakland was convicted in May in federal court of three felonies for growing thousands of marijuana plants for patients. Rosenthal, a columnist for "High Times" magazine, said he was acting as an agent of the city in growing the cannabis for the Oakland Cannabis buyers Cooperative. Although Rosenthal was ultimately convicted, he received no further sentence beyond the one day in jail he had already served. He has vowed to appeal his conviction as a miscarriage of justice. About nine states have laws permitting medical marijuana, according to Rosalie Pacula, a drug policy analyst with the RAND Corp. But California has attracted more attention from the federal government, in part, she said, because its laws are looser than other states', allowing patients to possess larger quantities and allowing dispensaries to flourish. "If you're really interested in protecting patients, keep the quantities low," Pacula said. Some in Congress are trying to get the DEA to back off, including Reps. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Huntington Beach, and Maurice Hinchey, D-N.Y., who support a bill that would block funding for prosecutions of medical-marijuana patients. Without such protections, businesses that believe they are operating legitimately under California state law still keep an eye out for federal agents and often try to maintain a low profile. Holistic Alternative Inc., a nonprofit dispensary in Canoga Park, opened three months ago and finds it hard to attract new patients because it can't advertise. Instead, it and other facilities rely on Internet advertising -- a more discreet option than hanging a big sign out front. David, a co-owner who asked that his last name be withheld, said he founded the dispensary with a partner who uses marijuana for medicinal purposes and wanted to help others. "I would hope they would leave us alone because most of our patients are actually really sick," he said. "Probably 90 (percent) to 95 percent of my patients are really sick and do need the medicine. "If they don't get it from us, I can't see these older ladies and gentlemen in their 60s and 70s walking around getting drugs off the street." [sidebar] REGULATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA Most cities and counties with ordinances regulating medical marijuana dispensaries have passed them within the past three years. Most include provisions restricting the facilities to more than 1,000 feet from a school, park or other dispensary, requiring security measures and restricting operating hours to the daytime. Twenty-seven cities and eight counties in California have ordinances allowing and regulating medical-marijuana facilities, according to Americans for Safe Access, a pro-medical-marijuana group. These include Alameda County and the cities of Albany, Berkeley, Hayward, Martinez, Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose and Santa Cruz. Fifty-seven cities and three counties have bans, including Stanislaus County and the cities of Antioch, Concord, Dublin, El Cerrito, Fairfield, Fremont, Livermore, Oakley, Pinole, Pleasant Hill, Pleasanton, San Pablo, San Rafael, South San Francisco and Union City. Seventy-nine cities and seven counties have temporary moratoriums, including Contra Costa County and the cities of Antioch, Brentwood, Manteca and Marin. According to a listing compiled by the pro-legalization group NORML, there are at least 49 dispensaries or delivery services in San Francisco and the East Bay, one in Marin County and 11 in the South Bay/San Jose area. Oakland passed an ordinance in February 2004 restricting the number of dispensaries in the city to four. They have to be more than 1,000 feet from a school, library, park or other dispensary, and can operate only from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. Alameda County passed an ordinance in 2005 that limits to three the number of dispensaries that can operate in unincorporated areas. They have to be more than 1,000 feet from a school, library, park, recreation center, drug recovery facility or other dispensary, and they must be located in a commercial or industrial zone. Santa Clara County passed an ordinance in 2006 that says its intent is to provide regulation for the convenient, affordable and safe distribution of medicinal marijuana to all patients in medical need of marijuana. It restricts the facilities to commercial and neighborhood-commercial zones, and it limits them to more than 1,000 feet from schools, places of worship and other dispensaries. The law also allows on-site cultivation of medicinal marijuana, but it does not allow on-site consumption. San Jose passed an ordinance regulating medical marijuana dispensaries earlier than most major cities, approving in 1998 a series of regulations that include a ban on marijuana consumption on site, limiting hours to 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. and prohibiting dispensaries from delivering medical marijuana to patients. Santa Cruz has an ordinance that prohibits dispensaries from within 600 feet of a school, public park, drug treatment facility or other dispensary, or within any high-crime area. It prohibits the growing and ingesting of marijuana on the premises. It restricts them to operating from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. weekdays or Mondays through Saturdays in commercial areas. Source: MediaNews research From rlake at mapinc.org Sun Sep 30 08:56:35 2007 From: rlake at mapinc.org (Richard Lake) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:56:35 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Jamaica: OPED: US Role and the Failing Drug War Message-ID: <20070930125732.YJJC495.aarprv02.charter.net@computer.mapinc.org> Newshawk: JimmyG Pubdate: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 Source: Jamaica Gleaner, The (Jamaica) Copyright: 2007 The Gleaner Company Limited Contact: http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/feedback.html Website: http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/493 Author: Robert Buddan Note: Robert Buddan lectures in the Department of Government, University of the West Indies, Mona. Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Jamaica Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topic/Plan+Colombia Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/pot.htm (Marijuana) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/coke.htm (Cocaine) Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/heroin.htm (Heroin) US ROLE AND THE FAILING DRUG WAR The United States has maintained that Jamaica must be kept on a watch list of major transit and illicit producer countries of narcotics because it has more than 5,000 hectares of land in ganja production. Jamaican authorities are angry because the report fails to reflect improved anti-narcotics activities and hurts Jamaica's reputation by placing it in the bad company of 20 countries around the world. The greater problem with the report is that it fails to recognise that the U.S.'s role in the drug war is a cause of failure, and the nature of the world system causes all countries to be losing this war. American citizens spend US$100 billion on illegal drugs each year, according to two authors. But U.S. anti-drug efforts have focused largely on blaming drug traffickers and in cutting off supply. The authors, Collett and Merill, say real success can only be achieved by reducing demand. Worse, a report from the Washington Post (2007) said that with the collapse of communism and globalisation, the international drug trade is thriving like never before. But a British report to the government in 2005 said that law enforcement officials seize less than 20 per cent of the cocaine and heroin produced each year; and criminal gangs make US$400 to US$500 billion each year off drugs, says the U.N., more than most countries of the world make. Americans want drug producers to plan crops. But with the demand and price being what they are, honest farmers are doing the opposite. They are planting or renting their land to others to plant coca instead of bananas and corn as the prices of these fall and they lose markets due to liberalisation. The U.S. and the Europeans are shooting themselves in the foot, challenging preferential trade in sugar and bananas, leading to preferred trade in coca and cannabis as the typical response The U.S. response is typical to that of Plan Colombia. It approved US$4.7 billion to fight Colombian paramilitary drug traffickers. But 98 per cent of the money was spent to strengthen the Colombian Armed Forces rather than on building the Colombian economy and the peasantry. In fact, 70 per cent of the money helps the U.S. economy, specifically the military-industrial complex. It is used to buy U.S.-built helicopters and weapons for the Colombian military and to pay security firms to spray herbicides on thousands of acres of coca and cannabis. The Colombian traffickers have responded by increasing the territory under coca production. They now control territory the size of Switzerland and the production of coca keeps increasing. Yet, the U.S. has designed a plan similar to Plan Colombia for Mexico as the threat moves closer and closer to the U.S. homeland. It doesn't only exist on the Southern border (Mexico) either, but on the Northern one as well, specifically the Canadian border. The U.S. might have to create a Plan Columbia for British Columbia. The Washington Post said that British Columbia (B.C.) is now home to the greatest number of organised crime syndicates in the world. B.C.'s production of marijuana accounts for six per cent of the GDP of the province and employs more persons than mining and logging combined. Canada is now growing high potency marijuana under modern hydroponic conditions. War on Drugs Failing The American report ducks the responsibility of the Americans and Europeans themselves. It hides the fact that the war on drugs is failing 36 years since Richard Nixon launched it. It is failing for a number of reasons. It has not addressed demand and the power of the U.S. dollar. It has been fought as a military war with the U.S. military-industrial complex and gun manufacturers reaping huge profits. But it is also failing because of the world system in which the U.S. and the rest of the world are embedded as one. The two biggest global industries, for example, are the arms and drug industries. The United States is a major player in both. Marijuana production in the U.S. is itself worth US$25 billion annually, one of its top three agricultural crops along with soya beans and corn. In short, the U.S. economy is embedded in a world system from which its economy is benefiting from legal and illegal trade. The presidential report has failed to analyse the problem for what it really is. It is a problem of the world economy. The United States economy is a large part of this world economy. It is a consumer market. Americans spend US$100 billion on illegal drugs each year, as we have seen. The U.S. is also a world financial centre. In 1998, Bill Clinton said that US$100 billion in drug money was laundered through the U.S. financial system each year. The U.S. has the most multinationals around the world. Drug money is used in sophisticated ways to buy a range of consumer goods on the black market to the profit of these MNCs while U.S. law enforcement has not been able to stop it and CEOs say they can do little about it. The U.S. is the world's leading trader nation, and according to the U.N., the drug trade makes up eight per cent of world trade. The U.S. is the world's leading military power and its military-industrial complex benefits from budgets to fight the drug trade. The United States is the leading foreign policy power in the world and its drug war determines which countries are friendly to the U.S. and should not be sanctioned in this war. Globalising the Trade The U.S. is the leading world power and has more influence over the way the world economic system is organised than any other country has. Therefore, the performance of the world economy is a matter over which the U.S. has a direct and indirect influence over the distribution of world income, which is becoming more unequal, and world resources, which continue to flow in favour of the rich countries. Raymond Kendall, Secretary General of Interpol, sums up that, "Globalisation and its many manifestations mean that borders of all sorts are becoming increasingly difficult for governments to define, let alone maintain. International drug trafficking has been aided by the explosion in computer and telecommunications technology and by worldwide transportation systems. These same facilities, as well as advances in the banking and services sectors, also benefit money launderers. There is no doubt that the illegal trade in narcotics is increasingly interwoven with the regular economy on a national as well as international level." The U.S. report on transit and producing countries takes the wrong perspective. It does a country-by-country study of the problem rather than taking the world system as a whole to find out what it is about the way the entire system works that makes drug and gun trafficking and money laundering the problem that it is for all countries. This is because U.S. policy is only interested in stopping the flow of drugs into the United States. What the U.S. must do is raise questions about the global order itself and what is wrong with it. The catch is that it does not want to question the very globalisation that it is promoting, and that is why we are all losing the war on drugs. From bob at cosy.com Sun Sep 30 10:27:22 2007 From: bob at cosy.com (Bob Armstrong) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:27:22 -0600 Subject: [DrugWar] Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine' In-Reply-To: <46FF13A9.7050408@cosy.com> References: <46FE4D73.6070506@netspace.org> <46FE847D.6030203@cosy.com> <46FE9B87.1000201@netspace.org> <46FEA655.6020200@cosy.com> <46FEAF31.9070702@netspace.org> <46FF13A9.7050408@cosy.com> Message-ID: <46FFB24A.8080906@cosy.com> Just as a follow-up , here's an article by a friend back in NY on "Burmese Tragedy's Philosophical Roots" http://www.groundreport.com/article.php?articleID=2835935 . He simple quotes from the "Constitution of the Socialist Republic of the Union of Burma" . Bob Armstrong wrote: > Newsroom-l wrote: >> Bob Armstrong wrote: >> >>> The logic reminds me of the "This is your brain on drugs" fried egg PSAs . >> Actually, your message makes me think that your brain is fried on scorched earth >> capitalism. >> >>> Most of what she describes as "extreme capitalism" is various statist actions . >> At the behest of the corporations that control the states. ... -- Bob Armstrong -- www.CoSy.com -- 719-337-2733 New upload : 4th.CoSy http://www.cosy.com/CoSy/ will be presented in tutorial at APL2007 , Montreal Oct 22 From tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca Sun Sep 30 13:19:00 2007 From: tmeehan at connect.carleton.ca (Tim Meehan) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:19:00 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] Ireland: CannabisIreland.net - Irish Cannabis News Message-ID: <25984A63-022C-4BF6-AE74-9388E4F2A455@connect.carleton.ca> http://www.cannabisireland.net/ From rschimel at verizon.net Sun Sep 30 14:34:51 2007 From: rschimel at verizon.net (Richard Schimelfenig) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:34:51 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] [OT] US MA: Column: Life Sentence In-Reply-To: <46FBEC1B.8050008@cosy.com> Message-ID: <003b01c80390$973472f0$2f01a8c0@HOMECOMPUTER> Thanks for your kind analysis. I know that tech has damaged the quality of broadcast journalism, perhaps beyond repair. As for the auto industry, expert analysis seems to indicate that, in the case of US based manufacturing the product is suffering. When one asks people why they are buying foreign manufactured vehicles, the number one reason given is that the American product is getting worse. As for government statistics, employment stats in particular, in order to compare our employment rate with other countries one must use the same methods. In fact, nearly every other country except the US, England, Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Australia and New Zealand all use the "eligible worker vs those employed" method. In most countries, it is assumed that most people want to work - everyone over age 15, unless they are disabled, are considered eligible for work. That is the number that France uses - everyone not disabled is eligible to work, the unemployment rate is generated by the percentage of that number who fail (or simply don't try) to find work. Even people in prison and the military are counted as eligible to work (except those on career paths), unlike the US. It is also deceptive to think that just because people are in temp employment assignment that they are not actively seeking full time work (as in the US), for example, or that because registering with the Labor department fails to generate meaningful employment leads and one instead seeks help from agencies (agencies and headhunters do not report registered job seekers to the labor department - another deceptive exclusion since some figures say this could double the unemployed persons level - pretty darned significant.). Another US deception is that unless one actively registers with the Labor Department every week, even if one is horribly underemployed (such as forcing a highly educated journalist to toss burgers), one does not get counted. In most other countries underemployed is the same as unemployed. In every other country using the people seeking work method, one is considered unemployed if one looks for work in any six week period and fails to find it. Yet more deception is generated in US numbers as Agriculture, food service and other industry (slips my mind which at the moment) unemployment is not counted. Only the US uses the intentionally deceptive "unemployment rate" based on those employed VS those actively seeking work. Unless one uses the same methodology as a country to which one wishes to compare stats, they become impossible to compare in any meaningful way. So, if we are gong to compare our employment rate with France, who uses the formula of eligible workers vs those with full employment (though some banks use a more weighted method such as the US method), then to get any real comparison we must also must that same method. For instance, if one uses the same method of all eligible workers vs those with jobs in France, the unemployment rate hovers around 9%. In examining again the example that I know (TV broadcasting), we can see that when we speak of averaging, it is somewhat true that with less workers those left are now making somewhat more. But not really much more, and certainly only a fraction of what the corporation saves with fewer employees. But, the lion's share is not going for any sort of general welfare, but just to make the corporation look better on accounting sheets. They pay no more in taxes, and in fact are actually paying significantly less. Employees cost taxes, technology makes tax breaks. When a corporation replaces people who are doing the job, they don't pay FICA, SS taxes, med insurance, unemployment and a bunch of other taxes regular people don't think about. These are the corporation's responsibility to the welfare of not only the worker but society in general. When people are replaced with machines, not only do corporations no longer pay such taxes, but the are given capital investment incentives and tax breaks, especially when using new tech. When the news affiliate I worked for dumped everyone for new tech, they got a monstrous tax break for every new piece of tech. Then, they get to make capital investment tax deductions over the next five years - every time they replace a person or even another piece of equipment. Nothing about automation (at least in this case) benefits the general welfare. BTW, while we were allowed to invest in stock, it was an investiture based program. Since they figured out a way to dump most of us before full investiture, we only received a fraction of the stock we would have gotten on full investiture. Although we get some benefit, the fact is, the corporation clearly chose a specific time frame partly to deny full benefits to as many employees as possible, based on the investiture program. Also, remember that unemployment also affects other wages (in general, where there is higher unemployment, wages go down, not up), Since people are now making less (and not just those unemployed, everyone makes less) there is less to be spent on goods produced, and this double whammy leads to inflation and perhaps to a depressed economy or at least an economy that goes nowhere. Another benefit of unchecked automation. I act as if there is unfair competition, not only for my job but for everyone in my neighborhood, from global forces that would steal from our economy with intentionally depressed wages, child labor, and poorly conceived automation to produce shoddy products that all too frequently use toxic ingredients that could not be used here, as well as other methods that would not stand up to scrutiny in a more prosperous economy. I act as if buying a Chinese made toy train will contain toxins beyond the mere lead paint; economic toxins that are draining our formerly successful economy that would still be flourishing if not for the unfair competition. Ironically, part of US economic success clearly rests on the early period of slave labor. The irony is that the progeny of those who invested the most in American economic success are the ones getting slammed the hardest. -----Original Message----- From: drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Bob Armstrong Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:45 PM To: The War on Consciousness Subject: Re: [DrugWar] [OT] US MA: Column: Life Sentence Very good post . You describe well the displaced-worker-side pain of what the economist Joseph Schumpeter labeled the "creative destruction" of the free market . Capitalist markets are totally driven by the free choices of our consumer-side actions which greatly outnumber the producers of any particular good . Sometimes there is an , at least temporary , decrease in quality chosen none the less because of other compensating attributes . An example is digital cameras having essentially killed silver based film . I don't think you can claim that automobiles have decreased in quality because of any changes in production methods or workforce . You are also correct about how crappy the government employment statistics are . But I think they are good enough to compare between governments like US and France . I'll admit that I've always considered my competition and my peers scattered around the whole world so I reject geographically based protectionist arguments . My attitude is , of course , the attitude of the global company owner - tho I'm not one . It sounds like you have tough choices ahead . I hope back when when you were part of their cash flows you bought some little pieces , ie , stock , in those companies you say have greatly increased their cash flows partly a your expense . Inflation is , of course , an increase in the ratio of , eg , dollars to goods . As Ron Paul points out , and has just been illustrated with the "mortgage" crisis , those dollars are created by the Federal Reserve and flow first to centrally connected bankers . Bush's war debt and other profligacy is also causing the value of the dollar to plummet versus the rest of the world thus making everything from gasoline and gold to tube socks more expensive for US , not necessarily the RoW . The diversion of corn from food stocks to ethanol is an additional factor increasing the cost of foods . Again , I'll point out the basic fact that simply more people doing jobs that don't increase the amount of goods produced does not increase the average welfare . The failure of all the make work programs of Hoover and FDR's depression shows this . The essential problem that you raise is how , when certain jobs become redundant because of more efficient methods and technologies , do the increased incomes of those still in the flows of production and cash get distributed to those no longer needed for that purpose . I do think this is an open and difficult question which actually seems to solve itself better than might be expected , probably mainly thru the ingenuity and creativity of the people affected themselves . Incidentally , my sister mentioned she heard the value of the new GM workers contract was about $73 per hour . Richard Schimelfenig wrote: > I do not feel informed enough to comment on the rest of this debate. I'm > working on it and you guys are helping. > > However, I feel that my own experience and those of others I know can inform > a little on this part below: > ____________________ > > >> Automation will be seeing exponential growth in the service sector, over >> the course of the next two decades, eliminating millions of jobs >> overnight, (couple RFID with self-service customer service and check-out >> and put them in every Wal-Mart, fast-food restaurant, and their >> competitors, and that's a lot of cashiers, clerks and back-end people >> *permanently* out of work), with no new jobs to replace them, in which >> case we're going to need a lot of prison like environments to house the >> unemployed. > > Has any of this happened yet ? The fact is that it is low tek "3rd > world" and socialist countries like France that have large portions of > unemployed . The US has had historically low unemployment for quite a > long time . > > _______________________ > > > I am a photographer and video journalist. I worked for a local CNN affiliate > here in DEAlaware. > > About ten years ago, the cable group that I worked for built a high tech > studio about 50 miles north of here. Instead of studio camera operators, > Chyron programmers and switcher operators, as well as producer, director, on > air talent, reporters and ENG camera operators they automated as much of the > operation as possible. > > This is being seen throughout the television industry, and has reduced the > multiple camera shoot to such a point that outside of reporters and on air > talent, it takes only a producer and director to run everything else. It > looks sucky to anyone who knows what they are looking at and makes all news > production look like tabloid news - and it ain't just the piss poor > reporting, guys. In general, the product simply lacks the professional look > it once had. BUT it appeals to both the lowest common denominator of > humanity, as well as the bottom line of an industry raking in the largest > profits ever seen. > > Even in the field, automated tripods have eliminated the need for ENG > videographers and photographers. Either the camera bots are run by the > director, or the reporter (if such a term is accurate any longer) is tracked > by software that detects their position. > > BUT - now what do I do? I have a masters in film making and photography, and > nearly three decades of experience. I write fairly well and I am one of the > shrinking group of journalist videographers with real ethics. There are > perhaps five to ten thousand of us all over the country no with no job. > > All thanks to piss poor automation creating a greater bottom line for > impersonal corporations who don't give a squat for the human costs, or that > they are contributing to a lack of art right where it is needed the most. > > The auto industry, both through the loss of work under NAFTA, but also > through the heavy handed intrusion of automation, has lead to the > degradation of the product, as well as the degradation of auto workers. Just > a decade ago (or maybe a little more - the dates are slipping my memory > right now) there were over 400 thousand auto workers. Now, there are less > than 80,000. > > Most of those people were either forced into early retirement or had to take > inferior jobs, since what they knew, what they were educated to do, was no > longer a job. The government and industry has completely failed to provide > educational opportunities to keep the auto workers, let alone the more elite > and arguably more highly trained and specialized videographer journalists > and related workers, to keep us all employed in a meaningful way. > > No one will hire many of us (I now return to speak of my cohort of > videographer/photographer journalists). And it certainly seems to many of us > that part of the line that has been drawn follows the edge to eliminate > those with the best and strongest ethics. > > At 55, am I supposed to retire on piss poor retirement packages that have > stagnated because I can not find real work? My mom died at age 83. Probably > mostly because she smoked. Her mom, who did not smoke, live to be 101. My > father is very similar, and our generation is expected to push even that > envelope. > > Should highly educated people be forced to take demeaning "service industry" > jobs at wages that will still require us to dip into retirement savings if > we expect to not have to eat dog food, give up cars, all forms of > independent living all together and live in ghettos? > > More education certainly has failed to help me, as well. > > Now I go to interviews only to be told that I am too highly educated. > > The Department of labor tells us to take menial work at crappy wages that in > spite of recent increases are worth less than they were ten years ago. > > To illustrate the problem further, I note that a local supermarket manager > has told me that, with automated checkouts and other automation innovations > he had to accept because the owning corporation demanded it, he now has > about a quarter of the checkout and other customer oriented workers than he > had a mere ten years ago. His entire store is run with a third less workers > than it used to take. > > Yet, in that same period of time the corporation has increased prices by > more than ten to twenty times. A bag of potatoes that used to sell for fifty > cents is now $5. A steak that sold for $.30 a pound is now well over $5 a > pound. Cereals and grains that used to cost pennies now cost anywhere from > $2 a pound to over $5 a pound. > > And, that is all happening while automation steals the jobs of even the > unskilled laborers who used to dig potatoes, feed the cows, run the > equipment, run the packers, drive the trucks and even the cash registers. > > And, with automation forcing hundreds of thousands of people to accept > really crappy, meaningless jobs with no future at less than a quarter of > what they used to make, who can buy any product at these inflated prices? > > At our present rate of the invasion of automation, it seems to me that more > people are being forced into poverty, while corporate entities rake in > record breaking profits. > > It is happening NOW. This is not some futuristic, sci-fi prediction. > > The US unemployment rate? > > Let's examine the fallacy that the unemployment rate is lower. > > What a sack of shit that claim is. > > First, unemployment rates do NOT measure how many people are actually out of > a job, let alone how many are underemployed. The unemployment rate does not > include people in prison or in the military. It does not count students who > still need to work to pay for life while in school, but can not find it. It > does not even count how many people really need work, but have simply given > up because work just is not there. > > What the unemployment rate measures is how many people are still looking for > work against how many have or find a job. Period. > > The number is a complete fallacy, disconnected from reality. I doubt the > integrity of anyone who depends on that number to prove their arguments, as > they should know these facts, and should make that clear in their arguments. > To do anything else is disingenuous, dishonest, and unethical. > > The reality is, that if one looks at the number of people who should be > eligible for employment, and compares the number actually employed, less > than half of those who should be eligible for employment can find jobs. > Compared with only ten years ago, while still way to fucking high a number, > people who were eligible but did not find employment meant that almost 60 > percent of eligible people were working. > > Thanks, automation! I feel better that after spending $200,00 on an > education, and with thirty years of experience in my field, that I can toss > burgers in a bag for less than minimum wage (remember, restaurants, even > fast food restaurants, are an exempt industry). > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 > 8:20 PM > > > > -=[) :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: (]=- > (][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][) > -=[) ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=- > > --- MailScanner --- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. > > -- Bob Armstrong -- www.CoSy.com -- 719-337-2733 New upload : 4th.CoSy http://www.cosy.com/CoSy/ will be presented in tutorial at APL2007 , Montreal Oct 22 -=[) :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: (]=- (][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][) -=[) ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1036 - Release Date: 9/28/2007 3:40 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM From rschimel at verizon.net Sun Sep 30 14:44:15 2007 From: rschimel at verizon.net (Richard Schimelfenig) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:44:15 -0400 Subject: [DrugWar] CN YK: Drug dog would drive student from school In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003c01c80391$e7921170$2f01a8c0@HOMECOMPUTER> Dogs in schools. Our children are being treated like prisoners, all in order to control what substances adults use. That issue aside, I suggest that those where they bring dogs to school take counter-measures. For instance, there are a number of techniques that prisoners escaping Nazi concentration camps used to deter detection by dogs. These same techniques work for all sniffing canines, no matter what they are searching for. My grandfather told of soaking tobacco with gasoline or kerosene, drying it out and spreading it around, placing it under shrubs and vehicles and other such places. I also understand that soaking tobacco in urine is nearly just as effective. Other techniques include mixing powdered pepper with gunpowder and sprinkling where the dogs might sniff. This could even eliminate a dog's ability to scent on a more permanent basis. My sister is a dog trainer and she tells me that not only will those methods work, but that there are a number of other methods that will make it impossible for a dog to focus on anything other than the decoy scent. -----Original Message----- From: drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com [mailto:drugwar-bounces at mindvox.com] On Behalf Of Tim Meehan Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:21 PM To: drugwar at mindvox.com Subject: [DrugWar] CN YK: Drug dog would drive student from school "It's all about her. What about the 700 other kids?" said lawyer Rick Buchan. > You can't bring a peanut within 500 yards of most schools nowdays > because a few kids have allergies. Why should dogs be different? --- > Source: Whitehorse Star (CN YK) > Copyright: 2007 Whitehorse Star > Contact: letters at whitehorsestar.com > Website: http://www.whitehorsestar.com/ > Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/1493 > Webpage: http://www.whitehorsestar.com/auth.php?r=48673 > Author: Stephanie Waddell > Newshawk: Educators For Sensible Drug Policy: http://www.efsdp.org > > September 28, 2007 > > Drug dog would drive student from school > > By STEPHANIE WADDELL > > A Porter Creek Secondary School student who suffers severe > allergies to animals would be forced to seek her high school > education elsewhere if the Canines for Safer Schools program > brings a dog into the building. > > Yukon Supreme Court Justice Ron Veale heard that argument this > morning. > > The student's family is seeking an injunction which would prevent > the dog from coming into the school each day, as the family seeks > a judicial review of the Yukon Human Rights Commission decision > against it. > > The commission ruled last month the dog, Ebony, could come into > the school. After mediation in the matter failed last week, the > case was brought back to Yukon Supreme Court this morning. > > The student's identity is protected under a publication ban. > > Under the program, school resource officer Doug Green would bring > Ebony into the high school each day. It would be a way of > deterring students from bringing drugs to school and educating > them on drugs and other issues. > > Sharleen Dumont, the lawyer for the student's family, told court > the student has been advised by doctors throughout her life to > stay away from animals because of serious allergies. > > They have caused hives, swelling and itching on occasions when > she's come into contact with animals. > > Told the allergies could become more serious to the point of being > fatal, the student carries an EpiPen with her in case of shock. > > She would not attend the school if the dog was there, Dumont told > the court. > > "They're not trying to stop the program," Dumont said of the > student's family. > > The family had proposed the dog come in on occasion to sniff > lockers, with a warning given so the student could stay away from > the school at those times. > > Random checks once a week would "severely" dilute the > effectiveness of the program, Richard Buchan, the lawyer for > Porter Creek's school council, said during his submissions. > > The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms also requires that for > a search of lockers to take place, there has to be reasonable > cause, Buchan said. > > Dumont focused on the hardship the student would face by > essentially being chased out of the school she has attended since > Grade 8, by a dog. > > Both Buchan and Porter Creek Secondary School lawyer Penelope Gawn > focused their attention on the damage it would cause to other > students in the school if the program was not started. > > "This is an emergency," Buchan said of the students at the school > being exposed to drugs every day. > > While other measures have been taken at the school to deter > students from drug use, they haven't been successful. Evidence > from other programs in Alberta show the new program could be > successful with the dog. > > "Canines for safer schools is definitely a measure for the public > good," Buchan said. > > Gawn noted the protocol for the initiative sets out ways to deal > with allergies by not having the animal in classrooms with those > allergic to dogs and having the students avoid the dog in the hall. > > "That is still the plan," she said, arguing the school doesn't > want the student to leave and that with the protocol, the student > won't have to. > > "That's her choice," Gawn said. > > Buchan argued that any hardship the student might experience by > switching schools could be addressed. > > He noted that if she's involved in sports at Porter Creek, for > instance, she could be involved in sports at another school she > may attend. > > The lawyer pointed out that a test for the allergy hasn't been > conducted yet, as was recommended in the human rights case. > > Gawn and Buchan also pointed out the program was voluntarily put > on hold for a full school year to accommodate the student while > the matter was before the human rights commission. > > To postpone it any further would be an undue hardship for the > school in addressing the drug problem, Gawn said. She pointed to > the amount of time those involved in the school have put into > getting the program in place. > > The matter was set to continue this afternoon. Yukon judge to decide whether to expel drug-sniffing dog from school http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2007/09/28/dog-school.html Yukon's top judge has reserved his ruling on whether a drug-sniffing dog should be kept out of a school because one of the students is allergic to it. Lawyers for the 15-year-old Whitehorse girl argued before the Yukon Supreme court on Friday that their client is being chased out of the school where friends and teachers have accommodated her for four years. The young teen, who has severe pet allergies, says she will be forced to stay home if the dog is allowed in the school. School lawyers argued that while they are sympathetic to her plight, the drug problem at Porter Creek Secondary is an emergency that must be addressed. According to school, the dog ensures anyone who walks onto the school grounds with drugs is identified. Lawyers for the school conceded that the girl may be inconvenienced, but that does not outweigh the rights of 700 students who deserve a drug-free environment at school. Continue Article "It's all about her. What about the 700 other kids?" said lawyer Rick Buchan. Government lawyers also questioned the severity of the girl's allergies, saying dog allergens are already present throughout the school. Justice Ron Veale said he will have his decision about the case at 10 a.m. Monday. -=[) :::::::: MindVox | DrugWar | List Commands :::::::: (]=- (][%] ::: http://mindvox.com/mailman/listinfo/drugwar ::: [%][) -=[) ::::: Change Account Settings : [Un]Subscribe ::::: (]=- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1036 - Release Date: 9/28/2007 3:40 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM From newsroom-l at netspace.org Sun Sep 30 17:47:35 2007 From: newsroom-l at netspace.org (Newsroom-l) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:47:35 -0500 Subject: [DrugWar] Discovery of DNA took place on LSD Message-ID: <47001977.5080308@netspace.org> Nobel Prize genius Crick was high on LSD when he discovered the secret of life By Alun Rees [Excerpt] Francis Crick, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago. The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge to the nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had discovered the secret of life. Crick, who died ten days ago [2004-07-28], aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD, then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy, to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize. -- JULES SIEGEL Apdo. 1764, 77501-Cancun, Q. Roo, Mexico http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts Newsroom-l, news and issues for journalists http://www.newsroom-l.net/